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Remember when Republicans were all, “Blah blah blah respect the President even if you disagree with him.”? Funny how long that lasted.
But really, how can you respect a black ¶
He didn’t disagree with him,he just called him what he is…a Liar
Obama lies and people will die.
…and your an asshole Just sayin’…
And you’re a crack whore…just sayin
…with no teeth. Best hummers you’ll never xp.
The health care reform bill clearly states that illegal immigrants don’t get benefits. That means, ebayer, YOU LIE!
I do think he was wrong for heckling the president and should have at least waited to express his dissatisfaction at a later time.
Although SEC. 246 of the bill states: Nothing in “this subtitle” shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
Now in that subtitle is “TITLE III–SHARED RESPONSIBILITY” and “Subtitle A–Individual Responsibility”
The loophole comes in Subtitle B of Title III, that is not bound by SEC. 246. It is this section that outlines employer responsibility for coverage where they must make coverage available, and can auto enroll employees in the health plan.
It is through the employer coverage that an Illegal worker may be able to acquire coverage, as this section has no previsions for legal work status.
Though that loop hole may be covered in a later version of the bill.
One of the sections that bothers me is SEC 401 that taxes anyone who does not have “acceptable” coverage even if they cannot afford coverage, as you still must pay for coverage. But this section falls under the jurisdiction of SEC. 246 so illegal workers are not taxed for choosing to forgo insurance.
Subtitle B of Title III is covered by SEC. 246. SEC. 152, under Subtitle B under Title III, reads:
152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE
(a) IN GENERAL. – Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.
Note the part that reads “Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act,”
That means that if some part of the law sates that it’s illegal to give illegals insurance, then it’s legal to deny them.
Thank you for supporting our president.
I’m actually not that fond of Obama; I just like truth, honesty, and literacy, which makes me lean away from the Republican party. It really pisses me off that out of all of the huge flaws with HR 3200 people are purposely twisting the language out of context and outright lying about its contents.
If there turns out that a loophole is allowing for illegal aliens to get insurance, they can change it. It’s not set in stone.
That’s just it. Throughout his speech, he emphasized working with congress to draft something that is thorough, complete and satisfies people on both sides of the aisle. The current draft does not explicitly say that it will provide benefits to illegals, however if some language needs some tightening up in order to close loopholes, they’ll do it.
Obstructionists like Wilson are simply looking for some small detail they can exploit to attempt to squash the whole thing rather than work towards a solution.
He didn’t call Obama a liar. He said Obama lied about immigrants not getting benefits. Wait, I’m sorry, that was wrong.
He yelled in the middle of a discussion about immigrants not getting benefits, saying that Obama was lying about that (he wasn’t, also, it’s not Obama’s plan). Then sat down like a fucking pansy.
Because obviously, no other president has ever lied, nor had people die because of their lies while in office…
Really? I could have swore something like that happened pretty recently. Damn, it must have been.. say.. in the past eight years or so.
I’m sure this will probably start some problems, so I must stress, I mean this in a NON-ARGUMENTATIVE way, but there’s a difference between respecting the president and following him blindly.
Oh fuck you, you cock sucking, nigger-jew-redneck-pansy-fagget-retard-hillbill-idiot-fatass-dumbass, I take your comment as ARGUMENTATIVE.
Oh…LIAR!!!!!!!
You’re right, of course. But do you even know what we’re talking about? Shouting during someone’s speech is disrespectful. Period. Doesn’t matter if it’s the President or the 7th grade debate club. This guy has demonstrated the intelligence and manners of a spoiled child.
That’s not what the repubs had been saying up to…what day did Obama start?
Remember George W. Bush’s 2005 State of the Union Speech when Democrats booed and shouted down his remarks about the need for Social Security reform?
It was Obama who said himself in the speech: “If you misrepresent what’s in the plan, we will call you out.â€
That’s what Joe Wilson was doing, wasn’t it?
I completely agree with the sentiment but Sen. Wilson behaved improperly. If he wants to yell accusations without following up with argumentation backed by data or reason then he should be part of the British Parliament where that sort of thing is more acceptable.
With the way Obama is falling in the polls I wouldn’t be surprised if some shoes were thrown his way soon.
The way the Repubs are falling in the polls I wouldn’t be surprised if some shoes were thrown their way soon. i.e. They’re given the boot.
Fixed
The not-so-surprising part is the Democratics in congress has had a lower approval rating than George W. Bush ever did and they are not improving and it will probable show in next year’s election.
I don’t know what polls you are reading but they aren’t ones that are publicly available. Evidence?
Here for one:
www.pollingreport.com/institut2.htm
I don’t see any polls there referring to either presidential or congressional approval ratings. Please tell me you don’t think preferred political affiliation is equivalent to approval.
To respond more clearly, comparing congressional approval to presidential approval is inappropriate as they are different scales.
Congressional approval is always lower than presidential approval. Congressional approval has been on a relatively steady decline since 9.11.2001, was at it’s lowest in 2008 (tied with 1992 at 18%), increased to 31% this year and has begun a decline again. It would not surprise me to see congressional approval dip to 1992/2008 levels again, but it has not yet.
Obama’s current approval rating is 53%. His term average is 61%. I’ll throw you a bone and agree that Obama’s first term approval rating is below George W. Bush’s first term approval of 76%. George W. Bush’s outgoing approval rating was 21%.
If you’re all TL;DR, the data says you’re wrong.
Not counting the Parody factor of my first post.
Not the point I was aiming for. My point is at best tangential to yours. The Republicans are losing the voters that keep them in office. It looks like they are moving over to the Independents.
One bone for another: It looks like the Dem’s are losing some as well.
BTW as to the TL;DR comment: I should have referenced just the first section for clarity.
That being said, I just wish the Centrists could get their voices heard. The only thing I seem to hear on the news is the Far Right or the Far Left’s point of view. If the trends in the first table continue we may see a viable third party candidate with in a decade.
And another bone to pick: Bush’s first term had 9-11 which skewed his numbers upward. I wonder how well/poorly he would have done if it hadn’t happened. Or how Obama’s numbers would have been if it had happened on his watch.
Actually, Bush’s opinion polls were higher right before 9-11 than Obama’s is at this time.
“This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President’s remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President’s statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility.â€
Yeah right, everyone knows politicians only apologize when they want to save political face, not because they’re genuinely sorry.
He’s not genuinely sorry but he regrets letting emotions get the best of him. He has every right to be upset but I agree that the politicians last night were acting like fucking 2 year olds.
I immediately sent a contribution to Joe Wilson last night.
I hope you sent more than $100,000, because that’s how much his opponent made.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/10/rob-miller-wilsons-oppone_n_281931.html
400k, last I heard.
Back to freeper land, ebayer!
The GOP told him him to apologize, and that seems to be the only reason he did. And after hearing his “I’m sorry”, I still don’t think he was.
It reminds me of all the other politicians that get caught doing something they shouldn’t be doing. They aren’t sorry for what they did. They’re just sorry they got caught.
This man has been in a nap since Bush gave his speech about Saddam having yellow cake uranium. He woke up to yell out “liar!” but was surprised to see Obama in office.
Stay classy, repubs.
I like cake.
The cake is a lie!
Lol Ebayer. Obvious troll is obvious.
YOU LIE! haha. Jackass.
What Rep. Wilson said is true. Obama used to be a professor in Constitution Law and he knows that it is UNCONSTITUTION to bar people from public services even if they are illegal immigrants (the same reason that illegals have a “right” to use our public education system). Even if it is written in any health-care bill that illegal immigrants are barred from services Obama knows that it will not hold up it court. The people of California recently voted to bar illegal immigrants from using public services, but the people’s will was overturned by the federal judges because, to them, it was unconstitution. Obama being a bright person and supposely very knowledgable about the Constitution has to know this and yet made the statement anyway.
Of course I meant to say “constitutional” and “unconstitutional”(x2). Sorry.
I think (and hope, otherwise you’re wrong) you’re talking about access to emergency medical services, in which case it is unconstitutional for the federal government to make a law governing or restricting it because EMS is something states regulate (separation of powers and all that jazz).
Also, in Plyer vs. Doe (1985) the California Supreme Court ruled children of illegal immigrants are citizens of birth and are protected under the 14th Amendment, meaning that public services cannot be withheld from them per the Privileges and Immunities Clause.
Public services are for citizens only. Legally the children of illegal immigrants are citizens. EMS is a tricky issue with other complications unrelated to laws governing other public services.
This is not about EMS or any other emergency issues, this is about all public services open. Also, illegal alien children (not those born here) have a “right” to public education, that is, according to federal judges.
The one in California that the people voted to bar illegal aliens from public services was Prop 187.
Prop 187 was approved in 1994, overturned in 1997, and the appeals process stopped in 1999. When you said recently I assumed you meant something at least within the past decade, my mistake.
It was found unconstitutional because it was a state attempt to regulate a federal power, immigration, not because it barred illegal immigrants from public services.
Wilson apologized to Obama unequivocally, so now FoxNewsRobots (Fauxbots) will be arguing about whether he REALLY apologized and whether he should have made any effort at an apology.
I mean, he apologized, so he’s admitting he’s wrong. That’s done with. So shouldn’t this settle it? He should now go off and vote Yes for health care like the good little doggie that he is.