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I am not a bible thumper but I do believe in God. Do I rush to God during every personal crisis? No. Do I praise God during every personal triumph? No. But atheists are a scourge on society as they are almost worse than the worst bible thumper or carpet bowing muslim. Why is it that atheists are so violently vocal against religion? I thought the concept of freedom of religion was to practice it in your own way in a personal way? How about maybe shutting the f up instead of constantly trying to denigrate religion. I also find it amusing that in our country….atheists are SPECIFICALLY against christianity. If you were a real atheist you’d bash both Christians AND Muslims….but you never see that. So I guess you’re all a bunch of hypocrites.
It’s easy to assault Christianity because it’s what we’re most familiar with in Western “civilization”, plus Christians don’t normally declare a Fatwa or Jihad on non-adherents.
Plus it’s always so cool to “rise above” (or more correctly put: rebel against) the stuff our parents taught us or what they themselves believed.
Let me tell you something you might not know. I am an Atheist, but I am not violently vocal about it, if fact, I don’t like discussing it at all because of people like you. It’s much easier to live with my disbelief internally then wearing it like a tee shirt.
Now, the reason Christianity is such an easy target, is in my opinion, history. What other religion has such a warm, fuzzy history of “Join us or die” than Christians? Oh, and torture. Don’t forget torture. Joining a religion that used torture as an incentive sounds charming, no? I went to Catholic schools for 13 years. The bullshit move of inserting Jesus in every subject, everyday, is in my opinion, a formula for a substandard education. These are facts, unlike you’re blanket speculation. Remember, I don’t have to prove God doesn’t exist, you have to prove he does.
You notice atheists bashing Christianity, because you believe in their deity, and live in (presumably) a predominantly Christian country. Likewise, people are more likely to comment on a religion that directly affects the governing of their own country. You’re even presuming that this post is specifically about Christianity, but it only refers to God… who is the deity of all of the Abrahamic religions.
But even a cursory search on the net will reveal many, many atheists speaking out against Islam (and more speaking about religion as a whole), including debates featuring prominent atheists, and events like ‘draw Mohammad day’.
As for being ‘violently vocal’, I don’t believe that I’ve ever heard or read of a current day atheist spouting anything as hateful as what is very often implied or said on the net, or on church signs that we drive by every day: You’re going to be tortured forever, and you deserve it.
I’m for freedom of religion and from religion. There’s NOTHING hypocritical about speaking up about a religion that’s having direct negative effects on the society that we live in.
That said, I don’t actually agree with much of what H L Mencken said in this post, frankly he’s an ass.
You are *so* very ignorant about this subject. Do yourself the favour and just stop typing now.
Easy to say someone else is ignorant, how about providing facts to support your comment.
Not up to me to save him/her from themselves beyond what I’ve already stated.
I will bend my rule a bit and simply say that cracking a non-biased book on the subject of atheism/comparative religions might be a good start. I won’t hold my breath for it to happen but one can always hope.
In Mencken’s time, he most likely was only familiar with Christianity. However, I don’t see anything in his statement that is aimed at one specific religion over another. Considering that what’s in the Torah is found in the bible, and again in the Koran, when you speak about one, you kind of are speaking of them all.
At what point in this discussion are you seeing that someone bashing one religion or another?
No, a hypocrite is someone who claims to believe in freedom of religion, but refers to Muslims as “carpet bowing Muslims.” Why not “children fucking Christians?”
I’ll pick D) All Of The Above.
Hey they’re free to believe whatever fairytales they want. Just so long as none of that bolgna is legislated into society.
Freedom OF religion is also freedom FROM religion.
But it also is freedom TO religion. Another statement that doesn’t get us anywhere.
And although atheists don’t preach, there’s a whole lot of preaching going on here in this honorable place called interwebz.
Your religious rights end where mine begin. Sorry if that cramps anyone’s style but that’s the price one pays for living in a civilized society.
Religion was created to bring order to chaos. Tell a man that if he doesn’t follow a certain set of rules then he will burn in fire for all eternity, what do you think he will do? And what do you think happens when someone else, was told another set of rules that conflict with and threaten the first man’s rules. Both have been around for thousands of years and both believe their god speaks the truth. Both will do anything, including kill each other and anyone that gets in their way to preserve their ideals, perpetuated by fear of eternal damnation and lust for what every religion promises: eternal bliss at the expense of all else. For thousands of years war has spread across the known earth in the name of a god that was dreamed up by someone who simply wanted control. FUCK RELIGION. Every one.
I agree with you. But I don’t think order is what they wanted. It’s fear. Fear is the ultimate motivator.
While this Mencken fellow makes some valid points that I myself would raise in an argument about religion, I must say that I don’t like his style, which, ironically, has a holier-than-thou elitist tinge.
I’m a Quaker, not an Atheist (although some have said it’s the same thing) and I will agree that SOME Religious types use religion as a crutch, as a way of feeling superior and to others and to justify horrendous acts. But it is not God that causes this but human hubris. God does not fool us, we fool ourselves.
As for the universe being run “like a corporation losing money” I would reply that the corporation has been in business for billions of years and it’s profit is us. I expect the corporation will be in business many years after Mr. Mencken is long forgotten.
Let me make this clear; as god fearing Christan, it is abundantly clear in the bible that there is no such thing as “hellfire” or burning for your sins.Any church that teaches the doctrine of hellfire is simply false religion.
I get why atheists are so against Christianity; they have been getting pounded with bull crap teachings that make them hate religion. It’s not their fault that they hate religion; it’s the fault of all of these so called preachers and pastors screaming damnation etc that have made them hate religion.
Atheists, if your only contact with religion has been with idiot preachers like I mentioned above, please, find a religion where truth is actually taught. Example:
“He that does not love has not come to know God, because God is love” – 1st John 4:8
If god is love, why would he create hellfire and make you burn for all eternity? He wouldn’t. Hellfire is a lie.
“…find a religion where truth is actually taught. ”
I find the scientific method and logic work wonderfully in this respect.
Here, here.
“Hellfire is a lie.”
Sure, so is the blissful eternal afterlife, poised at the right hand of the creator. That IS promised in the bible.
It does’nt change the fact that people still believe these things to be true and will do ANYTHING to either prevent their own eternal suffering in hellfire or be in their gods graces in heaven.
Even if my only contact with Christendom had been with you I’d assume it was a religion for the ignorant and sometimes immoral.
You’re just another Christian that knows the *true* Christianity, giving every atheist out there that it’s more likely that all you disagreeing Christian are uniformly wrong, because you sure as hell can’t all be right.
If god is love, why would he kill all life on earth in a flood?
If god is love, why would he sacrifice his own son?
Speaking of sacrificing sons, why did he order Abraham to do it? For a bet? That’s cruel any way you spin it.
If god is love, why would he arrange for the banishment of man from the garden of Eden? And why on earth punish all snakes for the crimes of Satan? And did he banish all the animals too? Why? Stupid god.
If god is love, why would he show favoritism instead of rewarding all people equally after the world ends (and why end the world?)?
If god is love, why did he kill all those children in Egypt?
If god is love, why would he send Jesus to teach people that the world would end soon and to live like there’s no tomorrow?
So, either god is not loving, or he doesn’t exist. Pick one.
the kind of “god” that would say that he “is love” and still be a hypocrite is the kind of “god” who would also say, at the very same time:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me… (Exodus 20.5)
or:
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God… (Exodus 34.14)
which one is the “truth”?
I have read the bible. I think you may have missed a fair part of the NT if you say that there is no hellfire or burning for sins, unless you, as a god fearing Christian, consider the parts you don’t like to be metaphor.
It is because of the bible that I reject Christianity. The god in it is an evil tyrant. It gets the most basic laws of good and evil wrong, i.e. slavery, genocide.
I don’t like the average American Christian because they want to force other people to live by their religious law, and when people object to this, they claim that they are being oppressed.
As a general rule: People are dumb.
>hate on people for their “egos” and for setting themselves up “above their betters”
>proceed to call an ENTIRE SUBSET OF THE POPULATION of this planet (many of which he’s never met) “Incompetent, helpless, asses without the capacity for clear and realistic thought”
Yea, he definitely sounds like a top tier role-model. Why bother being religious when you can just blanket stereotype your hate on so many people and still get to claim the moral high ground?
To address the point of the first poster:
They attack Christianity because attacking Muslims is still taboo, attacking Jews is being an “anti-Semite”, they’ve had a bad experiences in the past and can’t be assed to learn more and not be so ignorant, the website where they discuss the same old, beaten “objections” only discusses Christianity, “christians in the past was violent lololol” or any other variety of flavorless swill.
As such, when dealing with these types of posts, it’s usually best to let the “intellectuals and rational thinkers” masterbate in peace. Do not point out any inherent flaws in the picture they’re agreeing to, unless it’s funny to do so or unless Tiki institutes an actual punishment for getting 20 rate downs.
“They attack Christianity because attacking Muslims is still taboo, attacking Jews is being an “anti-Semite”, they’ve had a bad experiences in the past and can’t be assed to learn more and not be so ignorant, the website where they discuss the same old, beaten “objections” only discusses Christianity, “christians in the past was violent lololol” or any other variety of flavorless swill.”
You know this is not true because you have been around MCS for a time now. What did your god say about lying? Do it for Christ? Okay then.
That subject has been discussed. Atheists have explained to you why Christianity is especially discussed. And no, it doesn’t require “bravery” to anonymously insult Mohammed and his pet wives.
Sheesh.
Most atheists are like bitter children who have decided there is no Santa Claus– not because of any reasonable proof or logic, but simply because Santa didn’t deliver that pony they asked for when they were six years old. They’re bitter, angry, and petulant because God hasn’t made their personal road smooth and effortless, because God hasn’t deemed fit to stoop down and run an unfathomable Cosmos according to THEIR designs, and most of all because God has let them sit in the midst of the ruins of their OWN LIFE which THEY THEMSELVES dashed to flinders.
2/10
You only see atheists as people that don’t believe in your own deity. Replace the word ‘God’ in your post with the word ‘Zeus’, now it’s ridiculous drivel, right? Well that’s how your post looks to anyone that doesn’t believe in YOUR god.
I don’t see myself that way at all.
Most people are bitter over their not being a Santa Claus. They wouldn’t be if they weren’t lied to about it from an early age.
You say they are angry because God hasn’t make their personal road smooth and effortless. Show me proof of anything God has done. Saying it’s in a book doesn’t mean a thing.
I’m sure it would be special reading all the comments, but thank God I don’t have to 🙂
This right here.
best example of how faith encourages intellectual cowardice
nicely done sir
Atheism is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find not only sanctuary in it’s arms, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos: It will set them above their betters.
Ooh, look, I said something smart. Wait, nobody cares because I’m not famous.
I mean, am I the only guy here who’s bored to death about these circle wanks being formed around something someone famous said about something? Can’t anybody come up with something genuinely smart? How is repeating the same phrases over and over again making anybody smarter than the religious nutjobs everybody is so riled up about?
Way to start that trend off.
He’s entitled to these opinions, of course. No need to get excited. They aren’t self-evident and they aren’t unique either. Similar ones from Nietzsche and Ayn Rand and Mark Twain, with with he had a personal or writer’s creative “bond” are sometimes contentious and bitter. Can we verify when and where Mencken said this? His conclusions, whatever all they are, are based on his personal experiences. This is metaphysics, not science. He didn’t seem to have a particularly difficult life, AFAIK – was famous and successful as a journalist, writer, political actor, satirist and critic of controversial subjects of his day with a concentration on religion. He doesn’t seem to have been a persecuted figure for being so critical at times on matters that he knew drove people’s passions and did divide them (not surprisingly). He did suffer a stroke late in life, and lost his wife to tuberculosis. Bad hard things happen, as they say, even to “good” people. Maybe he blamed the Universe’s creator(s) he considered might be real for his perceived heartless unfairness from them for the things he and his wife (and others, I suppose) suffered – even for death itself (?)