He ignored canon. He ignored characterization. The plots lacked flow or reason. The plots were retellings from origin, but assumed you knew the characters already to accept their motivations… but then deviated from the characters so far it didn’t matter. For that matter… the characters lacked any real motivation. The characters were acted stiff and lifeless. In an effort to make things more gritty and realistic… everything lost what made it all special… gotham became just another boring urban setting filled with boring thugs and a cookie cutter vigilante. You could have stripped away the batman branding and they wouldn’t have gotten a second look.
I kind of wonder if the studio had something to do with it… because I like basically all of nolans other flicks quite a bit.
I’ll give you Nigma, but I can’t disagree with you more regarding Nolan’s use of Canon and use of Characterization.
I would suggest you read Batman: Year One. You’ll see most of the origin is pulled from there, with the exception of the training under Ra’s. And Ra’s has approached Batman to follow in Ra’s footsteps on a few occasions.
The only other break in characterization is have Lucius Fox know Wayne is Batman. I’d say it works quite well though, as it explains how he can move funds and equipment for Batman without someone digging into it.
For the other villains, read The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. Both of these are where Nolan pulled a lot of villain characterization. Dark Victory is a Harvey Dent story at it’s core.
You’ll see bits for Gordon, the various mobsters, and Commish. Loeb in there as well.
Wouldn’t it be more accurate if you simply said that you personally didn’t like Nolan’s interpretation of Batman instead of saying that he “fucked up Batman”?
Because apparently on imdb, there are over 500,000 other fellow movie watchers that felt that Nolan’s Dark Knight was deserving of a 8.9/10.
So to be fair, in order for you to say that Nolan had “fucked up Batman”, it has to be the collective opinion of the people as well.
To be honest, I felt that Nolan did a terrific job at Batman. No one really wants any interpretation to be a direct translation from the canon*, especially from something like Batman, who has been done over and over again with multiple canons and origins. Thats why I bought the movie ticket. I didn’t want to see Bob Kane’s Batman. I didn’t want to see Frank Miller’s Batman. I didn’t want to see Tim Burton’s Batman. I wanted to see Christopher Nolan’s Batman.
Your first post didn’t make much sense to me. It was as if you had not seen Nolan’s Batman Begins. The average American already knows the Batman origin, but Nolan still made it the point of the entire movie. His motivations where blatantly clear in Batman Begins. The entire movie was based around Bruce Wayne wanting to exact revenge because of his parent’s death, his journey to become a skilled warrior, the defining moments that makes it clear to the audience on what lines Bruce is unwilling to cross, the conquering of a fear which becomes the incorruptible symbol of Batman.
So I don’t really understand why you said the characters “lacked any real motivation”. Motivation was the entire point of the movie.
*Unless of course being directly true to the source material is the main objective, where there is only one canon that is held deeply in high regard such as the Watchmen movie.
It’s Jack Snyder’s now. Nolan left to make Batman 3 perfect.
Batman>Superman
Burton > Nolan
Well.. nolan fucked up batman.. but at least the superman movies are already trashed after that last one… can’t go much farther down from there..
How did Nolan fuck up Batman?
He ignored canon. He ignored characterization. The plots lacked flow or reason. The plots were retellings from origin, but assumed you knew the characters already to accept their motivations… but then deviated from the characters so far it didn’t matter. For that matter… the characters lacked any real motivation. The characters were acted stiff and lifeless. In an effort to make things more gritty and realistic… everything lost what made it all special… gotham became just another boring urban setting filled with boring thugs and a cookie cutter vigilante. You could have stripped away the batman branding and they wouldn’t have gotten a second look.
I kind of wonder if the studio had something to do with it… because I like basically all of nolans other flicks quite a bit.
Have you ever read a comic book? They remake canon all the time, assume you know the characters, heroes and villains have no memory of yesterday…
The canon of DC comics is a flimsy, flighty thing.
Still… I prefer Burton’s.
Are you sure your talking about Nolan and not Joel “look everybody, the costume has nipples” Schumacher?
Nolan did Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
As horrendous as schumacher’s movie was… there were at least some redeeming scenes with edward nigma.
I’ll give you Nigma, but I can’t disagree with you more regarding Nolan’s use of Canon and use of Characterization.
I would suggest you read Batman: Year One. You’ll see most of the origin is pulled from there, with the exception of the training under Ra’s. And Ra’s has approached Batman to follow in Ra’s footsteps on a few occasions.
The only other break in characterization is have Lucius Fox know Wayne is Batman. I’d say it works quite well though, as it explains how he can move funds and equipment for Batman without someone digging into it.
For the other villains, read The Long Halloween and Dark Victory. Both of these are where Nolan pulled a lot of villain characterization. Dark Victory is a Harvey Dent story at it’s core.
You’ll see bits for Gordon, the various mobsters, and Commish. Loeb in there as well.
Technically, there’s no such thing as a wrong opinion. But you’re is pretty damn close.
Perhaps Henry will portray Superman infused with a fine, quality British Accent: “towards twuth, justice, and the Amwherekwan Weigh”.
@montblanc_kupo
Wouldn’t it be more accurate if you simply said that you personally didn’t like Nolan’s interpretation of Batman instead of saying that he “fucked up Batman”?
Because apparently on imdb, there are over 500,000 other fellow movie watchers that felt that Nolan’s Dark Knight was deserving of a 8.9/10.
So to be fair, in order for you to say that Nolan had “fucked up Batman”, it has to be the collective opinion of the people as well.
To be honest, I felt that Nolan did a terrific job at Batman. No one really wants any interpretation to be a direct translation from the canon*, especially from something like Batman, who has been done over and over again with multiple canons and origins. Thats why I bought the movie ticket. I didn’t want to see Bob Kane’s Batman. I didn’t want to see Frank Miller’s Batman. I didn’t want to see Tim Burton’s Batman. I wanted to see Christopher Nolan’s Batman.
Your first post didn’t make much sense to me. It was as if you had not seen Nolan’s Batman Begins. The average American already knows the Batman origin, but Nolan still made it the point of the entire movie. His motivations where blatantly clear in Batman Begins. The entire movie was based around Bruce Wayne wanting to exact revenge because of his parent’s death, his journey to become a skilled warrior, the defining moments that makes it clear to the audience on what lines Bruce is unwilling to cross, the conquering of a fear which becomes the incorruptible symbol of Batman.
So I don’t really understand why you said the characters “lacked any real motivation”. Motivation was the entire point of the movie.
*Unless of course being directly true to the source material is the main objective, where there is only one canon that is held deeply in high regard such as the Watchmen movie.
Good luck. Break a neck!
He looks more like a Legolas than a Kal-El.
He just needs to grow his hair out and coif it right.
*Longer* hair? Are we talking Grant Morrison’s JLA hair here?
Wow. It’s just a movie.
I wonder why every single person here that happened to like Burton’s era of Batman films over Nolan’s has been downvoted.
To me, Nolan didn’t fuck up Batman, Christian Bale did.
I’m still waiting for a Batman Bin Suparman movie.