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THIS IS WHAT ATHEISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
^^Truth.
THIS IS WHAT THEISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
I think I’ve lightened up on religion a bit in last few years, partly because of discussions on this board. But this pick sums it: Religion is a bunch of nice stories and maybe those stories make people feel better, but science is how we get shit done.
I find truth in this statement.
I’ve discovered over the years that it’s not a person’s religion I don’t like; it’s the person. I have friends and relatives that are Evangelical, Born Again, even Jehovah Witness and I like them very much. Granted we tend not to talk about religion, or even much politics, but we genuinely like, even love, each other. One of the interesting things about my relationship w/ Jehovah Witness (some of cousins) is that we always end up sitting next to each other at funerals and weddings and any of the larger family gatherings. I think it’s because we’re viewed equally by our more normal religious family. We always end up in the back of the church, being respectful, but not taking part. We don’t judge each other and our views.
rip off of Discworld
o lawd
WHAT FUCKER DOWNVOTED ME
I’LL RIP OFF YOUR BALLS, ASSWEASEL
I agree, but, what of morality? Without some conforming standard of good/evil or right/wrong, you end up with corruption, self-interest, behavior of “what can I get away with”, and posters like that CaseMods guy.
@dogsurfer:
In response to your statement “Without some conforming standard of good/evil or right/wrong, you end up with corruption, self-interest….” I give you this:
books.google.com/books?id=yq1xDpicghkC&lpg=PP1&dq=god%20delusion&pg=PA223#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Please start on page 223 where the paragraph begins “Typical of Hauser’s moral dilemmas…” and please read through page 226 until the large bolded passage “IF THERE IS NO GOD, WHY BE GOOD?”
Please don’t link casemods with a lack of religion. Our standard of morality comes, for the large part, from our society. We understand that owning slaves is wrong, but 150 years ago, this belief was not as common in the world, and religious arguments were made both for and against slavery.
To liberal christians and muslims, their religions are religions of love and peace, but fundamentalists of any religion are willing to go to the ends allowed by their society to show hate and commit violence. The only reason that fundies in the US don’t execute gays in football stadiums the way fundies in Iran do to gays in soccer stadiums is that our society doesn’t allow it through a mostly effective legal system. Think that is an overly broad statement? Christians in the south, only a few decades ago, hanged blacks that they didn’t like because they could get away with it.
Our society and our families give us morals, and to some extent, religion can be part of that society, but it is amazing that religion usually reinforces one’s beliefs instead of challenges them.
That has no relevance. The idea that there can be no morality without religion is patently false. In fact, it is paradoxical to believe that religion can define morality. Please look up the logical argument known as “Plato’s Fork.” Not only CAN morality exist outside of a religious framework, it is NECESSARY for it to be fully functional with no regard to the truth of the religious framework for it to be a reasonable moral system.
Much better.
All valid rebuttals. I agree morality can be self-determined, learned from family, friends, and society. But not if you consider Nazis, barbarians, cultures who stone people to death for infractions, and closer to home, Salem witch trials and the KKK. Within their framework, their behavior is moral. Perhaps it is the role of religion to transcend governments and society to lay a definitive foundation of right & wrong. Including the super-natural with consequences is needed for some people for clout.
Is religion obsolete? Consider the 2000 year old parable. A man get’s attacked by robbers and is left dying in a ditch. Republicans don’t stop to help him, but the Samaritan/Democrats pass health reform and send him to a hospital. Ok, I twisted it some. But you will be paying your money for this. How do you answer whether it is right or not?
But that definitive foundation is widely variable between societies, and as such, it fails.
And that parable is just a story. The story has value, but the religion doesn’t. Aesop’s Fables are just as valuable, but the Greek pantheon just as bunk.
I can’t justify the myths that come with beliefs. But without a society independent morality, how do you address address corporate, governmental, or personal corruption? From their perspective, they behave right, by altering, or circumventing the laws.
One unpaid downloaded song carries as $250K fine & 5 years prison for 1st time offenders. Special interests have extended copyrights to life of the author + 70 years. Millions of people do not observe that infringement. By inference, the laws do not represent the will of the people. By law, you owe a royalty for singing “Happy Birthday to you” (ref Snopes). What is right?
This is so true.
If I didnt believe in God, I would *IMMEDIATELY*
steal from my neighbor, rape the closest female,
and kill anyone I was alone with.
I mean, what would stopping me?
Laziness, mostly.
Science accomplishes,religion impedes.It`s that simple.
most of the greatest scientists also believed in, or were inspired by, some kind of cosmic religious feeling
So?
It must be nice to think so.