You can very well get enough proteins by eating nuts, seeds and oils with your vegetables as well as leguminous plants. How do you think animals like elephants get so big and strong without any meat? It sure isn’t magic. But let’s compare humans to animals that are closer to them than elephants, like gorillas, chimpanzees and orang utans. If you take those together, 0.00% of their diet is meat.

Can every human on this planet be healthy without meat? No. Especially not children, old and sick people. Is it perfectly possible for the greater majority and would it mean an immense improvement concerning the quality of the lives of people everywhere as well as our environment? Yes.

I understand PETA are a bunch of fascists and that there are annoying vegetarians who act like killing an animal is the same as killing a human which is nonsense, but there are no laws that force you to be a vegetarian so why are you so bothered by the fact that there are people who advocate a vegetarian diet? Maybe you should check again.

I think I still haven’t made it clear enough for some. So here’s one last try. If there’s no meat available for an ape, he can go without it. He will survive perfectly and be healthy.
A man on the other hand who just stops eating meat all of a sudden could become sick. This is why right now you would say the diet of man contains meat, even if there are some people like me or RSIxidor, who can survive without it.

I said gorillas, chimpanzees and orang utans, in comparison to the diet of man don’t eat meat. I didn’t say, flat out, they don’t eat meat.

I compared cannibals to apes because you said, “A bunch of chimpanzees hunted down a monkey.” Not because I think eating animals is like cannibalism, since I mentioned in my first comment here that killing animals is not the same as killing humans.

Don’t put words in my mouth and then say it’s dumb.

You know I actually considered writing walnuts instead of nuts but then I thought, let them have it.

Thank you noodles. I’m glad you understood what I meant too. The only reason why meat consumption became such a nasty thing is because of mass production and the people behind it, who try to squeeze every penny out of what’s available. If you take a single farmer, like my grandfather who has a couple animals and his corn fields, that doesn’t do anyone any harm, selling a chicken or a pig every now and then. That kind of thing I do support, but what they have turned meat into is just ugly. If I lived on some small island without any machines and cars, just a couple people with beautiful skin who hunt occasionally, that would be the only way I’d be willing enjoy meat.

@bakedgoods

Yeah but they’re closely related aren’t they?

I don’t live in America, I’m talking globally bro. Though I imagine American farmers aren’t too happy about shipped meat from Australia.

Christian Bale is a vegetarian since the age of 7. If he can get too look like he did for American Psycho then I’m pretty sure I won’t have any problems either.

Also why turn that line into a meme. Couldn’t you have picked something that I said that is a little smarter.

Haha nah I don’t live in Australia either. Or I guess I do, I live in Austr(al)ia.

That’s funny el zarco, you know what the German slang term for testicles is? Eier, which means eggs. Oh yes.

@richgone

Scientific evidence for a lifestyle and convictions in regards to our environment? What scientific evidence is there that supports any kind of act of compassion. There isn’t. Love is illogical. We don’t live natural lives when it comes to our machines, cars and computers but when it comes to food you want to act natural? I don’t know, if you really want to go there, here’s some strictly scientific evidence.

“A study from the Loma Linda University has found that vegetarians live about seven years longer, and vegans live about 15 years longer than meat eaters. These studies are further supported by the Chinese Health Project (the largest population study on diet and health to date). They found Chinese people who eat the least amount of fat and animal products have the lowest risk of cancer, heart attack and other diseases.

Further proof comes from a British research that tracked 6,000 and 5,000 meat eaters for 12 years to find that vegetarians were 40 percent less likely to die from cancer during that time and 20 percent less likely to die from other diseases.”

It’s cool noodles, you figured out that you should drop the “die” when addressing me so that’s pretty awesome already. But it is indeed meant to be an ambiguous German/English thing.

That’s so dope. I have said this before, but I have immense respect for anyone who makes an effort to learn German at all. German grammar is ridiculous for people who don’t speak it as their first language. And that is a very sweet area, Nordrhein Westfalen rules.

Below the cucumber… are ginger roots. Don’t tell me you don’t like ginger. Dude. I like mine with long hair and big boobs. Or, alternatively, with an Irish flavour and beard.

richgone

I wasn’t begging the question. See I didn’t say that the information I provided proves that vegetarians live longer, just that it’s scientific evidence. You were the one who brought it up, in fact you are the one who was much more confident about it as if it’s all proved and accepted for sure you said “the proof is that we were meant to omnivores.”

Never mind that you didn’t provide any proof whatsoever, any studies or anything.

The paragraph I posted is based on studies that apply to how people live today, if a person decides to eat healthier and becoming vegetarian is just a side effect – what does that have to do with anything? If in this world, for some people, the only way to be healthy is to avoid meat then that isn’t against anything I have said so far either.

As for your claims concerning vegetarians, again show me a reference to anything or I don’t see why I should believe it. I’m not going to take the word of a stranger on the Internet for it.

additionally your claim regarding primates being “vegetarians” is false. unless you don’t consider insects being from the animal kingdom. many primates in captivity suffer from lack of b12, because they’re not getting it from the insects they regularly digest along with their fruits and veggies.

You don’t understand what my claim was. If you compare the diet of apes to the diet of man, they are adapted to surviving on a meat free diet while man is not. I can’t make it any clearer than that.

However this was not my claim, the OP implies that the human body cannot absorb proteins and carbs without meat, when this is clearly false. The proof lies in the survival of apes, as well as various personalities that are known all over the world.

Such as, Ghandi, Anna Paquin, Kate Bush, Yehudi Menuhin, Voltaire, Pythagoras, Diogenes, Newton, Da Vinci, Thoreau, Shaw, Tolstoy, Naomi Watts, Mark Twain, Brooke Shields, Bob Dylan, Woody Harrelson, Martin Luther, Schopenhauer, Weird Al Yankovich, Grace Slick, Benjamin Zephaniah, Farin Urlaub, Killer Kowalski, Andreas Cahling, Leonard Nimoy, William Blake, Anne Hathaway, and so on.

PS: You can get B12 by eating eggs, eggs are not meat so once more, this is completely besides the point and shows that you either know very little or think you can fool me.

@bakedgoods
You do realise that this is not what this was about at all? I only happened to call it cannibalism to explain my point, not because I care about you eating animals or whatever has eyes and runs around in a circle.

I live in Europe and for me it’s cheaper to not eat meat. However even if meat were cheaper, if it’s not good for me that’s the number one investment I’d make above everything else. You get to have but one body, what else are you going to spend it for.
You live in America am I right? So far I have heard only from Americans that they have to spend more money on vegetables and fruits than meat. You see it does not depend on money, it depends on where you live. Now come up with something that actually makes sense, show me some other studies that disprove this, anything, but this is a non issue.

The fact that you said,

don’t kill me please I just enjoy animals very much…they’re delicious!

shows that you didn’t understand a thing I said in this thread. Have I said anywhere that anyone shouldn’t be allowed to enjoy meat?
Maybe give me a chance, read the things I write and then make assumptions about me. I have read everything you wrote so far.

Regarding the need for teeth:

Gorillas have the same dental formula as humans, but are classified as herbivores (foliovores). They use their canines to break hard plants (like bamboo). They do ingest insects, but rarely intentionally, normally this just comes in with the plants they are consuming. So, explain why they have teeth that are often brought up in arguments using teeth as a reason for us to eat meat? (note that gorillas diverged about 7 million years ago)

Requote for great fucking justice.

Thank you Joseph. I was too tired to explain all of it. I’m so tired, my mind is on the blink. I wonder should I get up and fix myself a drink.

The last two lines are from a Beatles song (:
Oh yah, the Beatles were/are vegetarians also. Damn they’re everywhere, from world-renowned scientists to famous musicians. I guess the lack of red meat really brings out the stupidity in people. That must be it.

@bakedgoods

Nah dude, you’re the one cursing and being all defensive. I’m having a good time actually, this is why I’m here, to talk about things that I’m interested in with interesting people. Some of them are admirable people who disagree with me, some are people like you.

You were specifically attacking my comments regarding the study I cited, which is why I replied in the manner like I did. You did not just state your perspective. At least stand by what you said like a man.

I appreciate those strawman arguments, however I think it is you who should consult his doctor. Have him check up on those delusions of yours, because I haven’t said anything feminist or unwarranted in this thread whatsoever. Have a nice day and remember, eat loads of carrots because they’re good for your eyes.

@fracked again

I’ve heard some rumours, though I can’t verify anything because I don’t have a TV.

Well he suggested I’m an “uptight feministic bitch.” Unless I hadn’t made a comment about my gender in this thread he wouldn’t even know that I’m a woman so he’s got obviously some issues. Mister bakedgoods needs to re-examine his baked because they’re not very goods.

Haha aw. Yeah Godwin’s law. Oh hey Charles Manson is a vegetarian as well. That’s pretty much about it though or can you think of anyone else. Not that evilness makes people automatically stupid, intelligent people are capable of having bad intentions as well.