South Carolina’s governor said he would fight the Biden administration “to the gates of hell.”
Republican Governors Lose Their Sht Over Vaccine Mandate
Added on September 11th, 2021 by tiki bot | Report Post
Tags:Corona Virus Outbreak of 2020, Republicans
Tags:Corona Virus Outbreak of 2020, Republicans
It’s like these people want Covid to hang around for a very long time….
Fuck these walking covid incubators.
The feds are way overstepping and this will be shot down in the courts pretty quickly.
Everyone here already has their vaccine and you’re safe if you believe in the science right? The only people un-vaccinated are dangerous to are themselves. Had Trump done this, you would have been exploding with “fascism” and “dictator”, but since it’s Biden it goes down as fine as his favorite flavor of ice cream.
how do you envision this being over turned? and by who? Interstate commerce is literally one of the things that are solidly in the federal government’s purview. Any company that’s over 100 employees is definitely doing business outside of the state they’re headquartered in.
This is no different than all the other mandatory vaccines we have.
Not sure if typing a response to this will be worthwhile, since all I’ll get here is downvotes for my thoughts (have I beaten Casemods low score yet, b.t.w.?), but anyways:
Expanding government to surveil/track companies compliance with vaccination mandates is kinda gross (and goes way beyond what OSHA was ever mandated to do). OSHA is there for imminent workplace hazards — making sure the roof isn’t falling, making sure workers involved in active hazardous duties have masks on (i.e. things that are obvious to protect someone’s immediate risk of injury), OSHA can probably force an employer to remediate black mold in the workplace; but Covid isn’t an imminent workplace hazard (to the vaccinated or to the socially distancing/masked up unvaccinated). Can OSHA bureaucrats force an office employee to get a needle stuck in their arm? That’ll definitely be a constitutional question.
The expanding surveillance state kinds of creeps me out too. Between this and the IRS now drawing up rules to have live/real-time access to all your financial data, a lot of the Orwellian shit people accused Trump of dreaming of, Biden’s administration is actually implementing.
edited to add (since I hit “POST” before finishing), states generally are the ones responsible for public health of their citizens. You’ll probably read lots of references to the 116 year old “Jacobson v. Massachusetts” case, but that was a state mandate and not a federal one. I don’t believe a federal mandate will be allowed by the courts.
ps: I don’t know of a single Republican governor who is anti-vaccination (but perhaps you can enlighten me). This really is just an expanding surveillance state, personal liberty thing. If somebody doesn’t want to get vaccinated, should they be fired from their job and prohibited from being able to put food on the table for their family?
you’re making a lot of good points that would have been topical about 20 years ago. As of about 30 years ago OSHA has been addressing blue collar office safety, and as of 9/11 the IRS has been up in everyone’s financial business. It’s impossible to make transactions over a certain amount without having to explain what the money is being used for, which I feel is bullshit on itself, but I see the utility of it. Pretty sure that live/real-time access you’re referring to has been in place as part of the Patriot act. Also, that site you linked to is pretty suspicious to me, looks like a whatabe Breitbart site.
I honestly do believe this is all outrage over stuff that was decided decades ago, the Feds have a definitive responsibility for maintaining public health standards, and whenever possible they’re going to flex their abilities to do that.
Yeah I was debating about putting that link explaining the upcoming IRS snooping rule changes into the last post, but I looked at the rest of the janky ad-filled site and it had a good amount of articles slamming MAGA & Trump, so I figured it’d be okay for MCS. Here’s the other link I had been considering posting, basically saying that the IRS doesn’t currently have a way to look into small banks or credit unions and that it’ll take time and money (probably paid by the small banks/credit unions/members/etc.) to add in those backdoors.
Circle back to the Covid-19 mandate — there’s a pretty famous quote from one of the founding fathers: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety.” Doesn’t matter whether it’s Republican or Democrats leading the legislation, once you give up your freedoms, you’ll never get it back.
I don’t know what more they would need, I have two different credit union accounts and both of them say they report to the feds already.
Not everyone has gotten their vaccine and that’s a huge part of the problem. If you think unvaccinated people are only dangerous to themselves, you are wrong. While being vaccinated greatly increases your chances of not catching COVID or having severe symptoms if you do, you can still catch it and can die. You can also pass it to others potentially harming them. The virus still rampaging among unvaccinated people also allows variants to form. Unvaccinated people are getting sick and taking up room in the hospitals and have been filling them capacity leaving no room for people who need it for non-COVID issues.
Had Trump advocated for taking COVID seriously, listening to professionals, and getting vaccinated, we would not be in as bad of a situation as we are. If he had mandated getting vaccinated, we would have given him credit for trying to save lives instead of only caring for himself and his political career. The attempt to “flip” this falls completely flat because it’s not remotely accurate.
I’m old enough to remember that vaccines were not released to the general public until this year, after Biden had been crowned, so there was no mandating Trump could have done. Trump did enable “Warp Speed”, which was supposed to blast research and development of the vaccines over the usual regulatory hurdles, but let’s not give him credit for that since he’s evil™.
Biden also said he wasn’t going to mandate, but nobody here will call him out on that flip flop.
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Personally, I don’t care that he “flip-flopped”. I have always thought that the vaccine should be a requirement. Just like so many of the other vaccines we’ve pretty much all been required to take for the greater good of society (MMR, DTaP, IPV, etc). I was disappointed he said that in the first place.
People are allowed to change their minds when new information is presented or a new situation unfolds.
I never said Drumpf did nothing, but he could have advocated for mandatory vaccinations once they were regularly available, but I understand that would’ve required having foresight. He did make sure to keep quiet about the seriousness of COVID and the good of vaccination. He hasn’t really been vocal about getting vaccinated and never bothered to call out those raising unfounded doubts. He has also been real careful in wording it as more of a suggestion than an actual recommendation.
Since Biden became president, he has had access to more resources and information that has caused him to change his mind about mandating vaccination. Rather than double down and say he was the only one that knew all along about “X” and saying that anyone that says otherwise is just a hater or an idiot, he has taken information given to him and made an informed decision. Updating your stance based on information you did not have before is not a bad thing. He also won an election, but I wouldn’t that being crowned for anyone, including when Drumpf won.
this still isn’t a mandate for people, it’s a mandate for businesses. a fine hair to split, but valid imho