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For those of you who think this election isn’t about choosing the shiniest of two turds, please tell me a policy position of Biden’s that has you stoked to vote this year.
the end of forced sterilization of immigrants.
the end of forced family separation for people presenting themselves at the borders.
the end of religious based terrorism supported by the federal government
the end of “good people on both sides”
health care for everyone, not just the people that are lucky enough to be able to afford it.
placement of federal judges that will support american’s right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, something that’s strongly restricted right now.
the end of poorly hidden connections to dictators, tyrants, and anti-american forces.
that’s like just 1% of the list, but it’s a good starting place for anyone that’s honestly asking.
None of those are actual policy proposals though, are they. Well, except for universal healthcare, which Biden explicitly stated he would veto if it ever came across his desk. So, you know, the opposite of that.
Now try and give me an actual policy position of his that is making you excited to vote for him.
how are those not policy positions? you’ve moved your goal post to be in a different stadium.
I must be dumb. I tried and tried to find any documentation of Biden campaigning on ANY of the things you listed, and came up blank. No end of “good people on both sides”. No “end of forced sterilization by ICE”. Again, the closest I could come is the opposite of one of your points, where he promised to veto universal healthcare if it was proposed while he was president. But none of the things on your list that you seem hell bent to call a list of policy proposals. So help a fella out, will you? It’s the least you can do, seeing as you came up with the list. Find me a link to the part of his platform that explicitly promises any of those things as policy.
Bonus points if you can come up with something that is not merely a reversal or cessation of something Trump did.
all we need is the reversal of the horrors that I listed above, which you seem to be upset about having reverse.
that says more about you than me though.
Not upset about reversing the horrors. Upset over Biden having absolutely NOTHING to offer other than “I am not Trump”. And it’s distressing to see you and others pretend that “not Trump” in and of itself is going to fix all our ills. I swear to God I hope it wins him the election, but going back to a time that seeded the ground for a Trump presidency bodes poorly for the future. He’s a garbage candidate, and even though he is orders of magnitude better than Trump, pretending he isn’t a garbage candidate is head-in-the-sand bullshit.
Convince me otherwise. Find me an actual policy that embodies a vision for the future. Hell, find me an actual policy.
here ya go, throw a dart, win a prize: joebiden.com/joes-vision/
YES, Father Douche Bag- you ARE dumb. Good to know that you realize it. The next step is to SMARTEN UP.
I’m dumb, but the lot of you Biden fans seem incapable of pointing to a single damned thing to get excited about. Tell me, how well did barely campaigning on the single issue of not being Trump work for Hillary? Y’all are going to be mighty shocked and pissed when this replay of 2016 inevitably leads to the another Trump victory. And the worst part of it is that it is such a shitty outcome that I will take no pleasure in saying “I told you so”.
I’m glad that you’ve finally come to grips with the undeniable fact that you are, indeed, DUMB, Father Douche Bag.
Maybe you can help me out then instead of just insulting me. Can you give me one single policy that Biden is proposing – nothing that is a mere nullification of something Trump has pushed/stood for, mind you – that has you excited to vote for him?
I’m not voting FOR Biden- I am voting AGAINST tRUMP. See the difference, Father Douche Bag>?
Yeah. I do see the difference. You think “orange man bad!” is a good enough platform to win the election. And you could be right. Trump has shat the bed so insanely much that it might even cost him the next election. But I don’t get all the vitriol whenever I suggest that maybe, just maybe running a campaign that gives people something to vote FOR rather than just AGAINST might be a good idea. Not to mention the fact that while a Biden presidency may well manage to reverse at least some of the wrongs committed under Trump, it will do sweet fuck all to address the fundamental rot at the core of the system that allowed a piece of shit like Trump to rise to the top in the first place. A Biden presidency will, with 100% mathematical certainty, seed the ground for something even worse than Trump not very far down the line. Forgive me for giving a shit about that,.
“biden fans” says everything we need to know about how you think politics work. I’ve given you about 50 reasons, and other than reaching through your screen and slapping your face with the policy positions, there’s not much more I can do.
First, you give me a list that includes zero actual policy items. Then you link to his website. What, you expect me to do the work and find out what has you stoked? I mean, I know it can’t be universal health care, full student loan forgiveness, a UBI, the green new deal, or anything else that actually had people on the left excited since none of those are on the table. But I’m not a mind reader. YOU tell ME what has you excited. Is it really that hard? (spoiler: yes. yes it is)
No Mr Bond, I expect you to READ and use CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS.
And this is why I worry that Biden will lose. When asked for one simple policy item that you get excited about, you fail to do so and instead obfuscate and say “no, no, YOU do the work”. This is the Democratic campaign writ large. Are people phone banking? Are they campaigning hard? Are they doing their dogged best to convince anyone not already convinced to get out and vote for Biden? (spoiler alert: nope, except for the all-important fence sitting centre-right voter still out there. I hear there might be three of them in the entire country)
The campaign seems trapped in Groundhog Day, 2016 edition: Smug certainty that their team will win. Unwillingness to propose anything significant or meaningful that will actually help people. Refusing to entertain ANY criticism of a wildly imperfect (downright shitty, really) candidate. Touting the endorsements of monsters like Rick Scott and the Lincoln Project. Maybe Trump has gone so far that this will be enough and he’ll lose. But with the stakes as high as they are, it’s a fucking stupid gamble to take.
this is the kind of conversation that’s been happening for decades at this point. You must need to special order hats with how thicc your skull is. Which of these 200 policies do you think aren’t policies? we gave you text descriptions, links to them all, and you keep saying ‘wah, that’s not what I mean’ then declare the argument dumb simply because you don’t understand what you’re being told.
Are people phone banking? are you insane to ask that? The Biden campaign is doing historic phone banking, more than any other election, because the Democrats have decided that it’s stupid to do door to door canvasing during a global pandemic that’s caused the death of over two hundred thousand Americans.
Are people campaigning hard? absolutely yes! they’ve spend more money on campaign efforts than I would have though possible, and have hundreds of millions of dollars in the bank to spend even more. If you haven’t seen an official Biden ad yet, I need to know your strategy, because I’m inundated with them.
The only people that haven’t made up their minds at this point are people that are trolling or part of the deplorables, the people that are ok with forced sterilization, family separations, loss of social security, loss of health care, continued destruction of our planet, and absent responsibilities for their neighbors. Anti-socials to be specific, people that only join up with organizations that tell them how to think and how to feel, organizations that do not give any opportunity to practice constructive reasoning.
And which of those 200 policies has you excited to vote for Biden? Jesus Tiki, y’all keep calling me thick and an eejit, and yet you seem incapable of answering a simple question. Give me something to get excited about. Give me something other than “orange man bad”. Why is this so fucking hard for you that you have to punt and insult me every. motherfucking. time? ONE THING. It’s all I ask.
And your anecdotal assurances about the campaign aside, no. No, people are not campaigning hard. For fucks sakes, the Dems aren’t even opening ground offices in swing states. WHAT THE HELL!!?? Sure, pretend that you cannot possible door knock AND keep a safe social distance. But that’s bullshit, and you know it. A big chunk of the country is terrified (rightly so) of another Trump victory. But that doesn’t translate into ANY enthusiasm for Biden. No volunteers. No ground game. No issue(s) to rally around and get people excited about. Nothing.
Meanwhile, Biden himself is doing as little as humanly possible publicly, maybe a proof of life video every few days or so, because everyone on his team knows what a porridge brain he is and they are just hoping and praying he keeps it together long enough to get elected.
But what the hell. Get mad at me. Shoot the messenger. Because that’s what really matters right now. And if Biden loses, y’all can blame it on voter stupidity, or a third party, or disenchanted Bernie bros, anything, just as long as no one thinks to blame a terrible party, with a terrible, tone deaf campaign, with a terrible candidate.
Your problem is that you refuse all the answers that you receive, so I give up, you’re a lost soul who’s just the messenger. What you’re saying in this last comment specifically are all lies and they won’t be welcome on the site, so keep your nose clean.
Biden has campaign offices in all 50 states, most of them paid positions.
here’s another huge list of policy positions for others to read, I’m aware that you’re still saying he has no policies: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign#Political_positions
As for your stupendeous statement that he’s not doing anything, or at least not enough for your delicate mind, a phrase comes to mind: Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself.”.
I’m not mad at you, I’ve just labeled you a troll, so congrats and wear it proudly.
How the hell can I reject your answers when you have yet to give me one? I asked for one policy position that has you excited to vote for Biden. ONE policy. ANYTHING. But instead of answering, you keep pointing me to links of 10,000+ words of focus-grouped pablum to sift through. It’s not what I asked for. And when I call you on it, you get mad-not-mad at me over your inability to find one lousy thing to get stoked about. So you dissemble. You insult. And you refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem. Your inability to come up with a single damned thing is no surprise, though. According to a Pew Research Poll, only 9 percent of Biden supporters support him because of his policies. Considering what he’s put forward, or more accurately NOT put forward, it’s shocking that the number is even that high.
www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/08/13/election-2020-voters-are-highly-engaged-but-nearly-half-expect-to-have-difficulties-voting/
But hey, nothing to see here. (actually, that’s rather accurate, come to think of it) I’m going to pretend there is a groundswell of enthusiastic support for Biden the man and the platform! Everyone is going crazy for “no medicare for all”, for example. His “let’s acknowledge climate change and do laughably little to address it” is generating massive support. And if “I have no empathy for the suffering of young people. I mean give me a break” won’t win him the millennial vote, then nothing will. Likewise with his desire to train cops to shoot people in the leg instead of the fucking face. If that isn’t enough to satisfy BLM and its supporters, well sir, who knows what possibly could then! The entire nation is going gaga for Joe, and anyone saying otherwise is a fool and a liar. Speaking of lies, here are some more lies for you from the NYT and Washington Post, among others….
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/campaign-of-contrasts-trumps-raucous-crowds-vs-bidens-distanced-gatherings/2020/09/08/8633e69a-f1dc-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html
www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/us/politics/joe-biden-campaign.html
time.com/5889093/joe-biden-michigan-campaign/
www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/17/recipe-disaster-democrats-worry-biden-campaign-missing-action-battleground-states
Fuck it. I’m just a troll, what do I know.
I’ll bite , raising minimum wage , rejoining the WHO , legalization of marijuana , increasing corporate tax rates , is that enough to start with? lol
I already gave them those, but “those aren’t policies”.
Did you now? Must’ve deleted it since, cause I can’t find them anywhere in the comment thread.
Thanks Old Tofu. Finally someone with an actual answer, and more than one actual position even. Mind you, he’s not going to increase corporate tax rates, not ever. He only wants to decriminalize pot, which is not legalization. Rejoining the WHO is hardly something to excite the electorate… but the minimum wage thing is good. Not super exciting, mind you. It’s no green new deal or universal health care. And given Biden’s track record, I won’t hold my breath expecting him to follow through. But at any rate, it is indeed a policy, and one that can even garner a modicum of enthusiasm among voters. Thank you for a real answer.
So another question if I may: is it nearly enough?
to win the election maybe , for policy changes no ,that’s why we wanted bernie
I worry that it may not even be enough to win the election. Or that it’ll be a marginal victory that the alt-right and Trump crowd will label illegitimate and things will go to shit right fast. And while the DNC probably doesn’t care all that much if they lose to Trump, (they were much more worried about “losing” to Bernie, hence the ratfucking), I dunno if the country can survive another 4 years of Trumpism. Here’s hoping the Reagan Democrat wins resoundingly, and we slow the inevitable swirl down the drain some.
that’s why i’m 51 and voting for the first time this year
The end of forced sterilization of immigrants.
the end of forced family separation for people presenting themselves at the borders.
These were all Obama/Biden polices since 2014. What the fuck is the matter with you?
the end of religious based terrorism supported by the federal government
Like what? When Biden was the biggest cheerleader for the illegal war in Iraq and loudly shamed other Democrats for not agreeing with him, would you consider that terrorism? I’m sure the thousand killed in Iraq would sure think so.
health care for everyone, not just the people that are lucky enough to be able to afford it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! What the fuck is the matter with you?
the end of poorly hidden connections to dictators, tyrants, and anti-american forces.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Just like Hillary and Bill being funnelled millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia and Russia. What the fuck is the matter with you?
If that’s just 1% of what you’ve got, bring on the rest because that’s the best laugh I’ve had in ages.
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you’re almost self aware, just another step or two and you’ll get there. to recap though, you said those weren’t policy positions, but now they are?
Whatever point you’re trying to make here… it seems lost to everyone but you. Maybe you ought to be asking if everyone else is really the one with the problem.
www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/ there are huge differences in policy and execution.