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Once again the athiests get it all wrong. It isn’t the questioning God that gets the punishment. It isn’t even the doing wrong. It is refusing to accept that God is real and that he died for your sins that gets you sent to hell.
What I love about this impassioned plea is that you don’t refute the key problem that the poster is pointing out (i.e. loving Deity who has set up a way for you to be tortured forever), just the WAY that you will be tortured forever.
So the poster should actually read “I love you, but if you don’t accept that I exist despite any demonstrable proof, if you formulate any ideas that weren’t coneived of two millenia ago, I will torture you forever in waysyou can’t imagine.”
If it read that, aces. Did I get it wrong?
If God gave us the capacity for Original Sin, Then any disbelief in Him is kinda His fault, isn’t it?
pretty lame statement lol
Well, to be honest, the Abrahamics make for some pretty lame religions.
? Baby don’t hurt me. Don’t hurt me no more. ?
Sort of out of the blue I suppose, but I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech argument over the Islam-insulting film that allegedly, but actually did not, set off the embassy attacks overseas. The head of the UN said that he believed in free speech except in causing hurt and insult to others, and the LA Times, and several high-profile folks in entertainment and politics have said the film-maker needs to be punished for insulting Islam – well, inflaming things anyway, making the “crying fire in a theater” argument. There are even calls for international laws against insulting religious figures, including Mohammad, Buddha and Jesus. So in light of that, where do you guys stand? I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity. Sure they moan and groan and get a prayer circle going for you which I know is annoying, but past that you can be pretty sure you are safe. But what if they start passing laws that say you can’t post things that attack religion? Any religion including the horror that is Christianity. What WILL you guys do for fun on the internet then? Or seriously, what will you do about it at all? And before you say, bullshit, it will never happen, I strongly suggest you rethink that. Once they started calling things “hate crimes” they opened a big damn door because any thought can be described by someone else as hateful and therefore any statement can as well. I’ll end by saying I assume you guys are a tad concerned about this trend. I know I am because no matter how offensive the speech one should have the right for the government not to restrict it.
I’ll take a shot at answering some of that:
Streisand Effect.
Oh yes, the more you try to ban speech the more if flowers, but that so far that has really only applied to the calls for free speech restrictions. No one, in the USA anyway, has passed laws restricting free speech against religion. Or kowtowed to foreign laws doing so. My question, though was I assume you are at least a little concerned that our current government, and indeed many of those who usually champion free speech, seem to be placing Islam in a special category. And since the only way that really sells is to ban all trash talk against religion – or at least religious figures – it seems to me that this would be of some concern to atheists as a group. Understand, korinthian, that even though you and I disagree on, well, pretty much everything, I respect your free speech rights and I want no one’s restricted.
My concern is we are moving towards actual laws against insulting religion. And if that happens you might as well say goodbye to free speech totally.
Free speech should be defended, even if we don’t agree with what is being said.
The Crusades.
“…I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech…”
Well, I’m no atheist but…
If that speech is just trolling for the sake of trolling, pissing others of, etc., then it’s not speech, so…
“I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity.”
They had their “5 minutes” of “fun and games” in them Middle Ages. Islam is +/- 600 years “behind” them, hence “the fun and games” now.
“…you are safe…”
Nope. People who “believe” instead of thinking, aren’t close to safe, vide all the fuck up cults, people. Does David Koresh ring any bells ? Didn’t Timothy McVeigh believe in Adonai, and took the last sacrament ? How about the “new kid” on the religion block Scientology ?
The Bible didn’t change since the Middle Ages, so the possibility of another Dark Age is still there.
As for the ban of religion criticism, and religions in general, I do hope that someday people will have it enough, and religions will lose their “divinity”, thus becoming just another philosophy.
“If that speech is just trolling for the sake of trolling, pissing others of, etc., then it’s not speech, so…”
You’re wrong: That’s when free speech is the most important.
Trolling for the sake of trolling isn’t speech, it’s a way of acting out, dealing with ones problems, insecurities, etc.
To use rather simplistic comparison – trolling for the sake of trolling is speech, in the same way hiring, and using a prostitute is making love.
Speaking != speech, and the bastardized version some trolls use, can’t be even classified as speaking.
Yeah, you’re still wrong. Just because you dislike certain ways of communicating doesn’t disqualify them.
It doesn’t matter why you say something offensive, it’s still free speech. And like I’ve already said: especially when you say something offensive.
1. That depends on your definition of speech.
2. I’m all for discussion with unconformable, painful truth, occasional vulgarism, telling jokes about blacks, Jews, etc., etc., but troling for the sake of trolling isn’t a discussion is just that – trolling for the sake of trolling.
3. As there are limits to personal freedoms, like you can’t (or at least shouldn’t) just waltz into somebody’s home, fuck their , kick the , and loot the ), people should know limits to their free speech. Note that I didn’t say that freedom of speech should be limited, or regulated by some laws.
But then again, you’re the person who argued about that Gucci Burka, without even bothering to check your info…
I don’t think anyone includes battery and trespassing in free speech.
Anyways, you can’t censor something because of the intent behind what is being said. Why? Because you can’t police that.
Let’s leave the thought crimes to religion and sci-fi.
+1
…what
Fuck myths.
Free speech. *Always* and *forever*.
I’d just go to /b/ where you can say and do almost anything.
You might as well make it a crime to insult Buggs Bunny while you’re at it. There’s more evidence for *his* existence, after all.
What I think is funny about christians is, they HATE muslims. But when they see muslims killing people over religion, they would LOVE to be able to do that. They’re the 13 year-old looking at the misbehaving 5 year-old acting out, saying “Mikey did it, why can’t I do it??”
From an atheist: free speech good, crazy people bad. Those zealots would be zealots about anything, they just have religion and have been coerced to be this way. They could of been coerced into this because the stay puff marshmallow man was melted by egon for their sins.
You don’t get to be tip toed around because you are crazy, we get you help and pop-sickles that you are not allowed to run around while eating.
It could be noted that there are numerous religions that don’t believe in eternal suffering for sinfulness.
In fact, it doesn’t even exist in the Bible. According to Revelations after you die you wait for judgement and the “book of life” will be opened to you and God’s plan revealed – if you then reject God you are cast into the lake of fire and destroyed, no eternal suffering.
So eternal suffering is not really a solid argument for Atheism.
No, let’s not note that. It’s easier to make sharable pictures on the internet if we use concepts not found in the bible or if we grossly deform/over-simplify content.
It’s easier to live with our religion if we use concepts not found in the bible or if we grossly deform/over-simplify content.
I’d rather get cast into a lake of fire than read your boring ass bullshit.
Then either don’t read my posts or cast yourself into a lake of fire, either is fine by me.
But if you do the fire thing, have someone post pics.
BIG DICKS UP THE BUTT. I AM BACK TO RULE YOU ALL SHUT UP IM FAMOUS IM WOOPIE GOLDBURG I WILL DESTROY YOU ALL YOU WILL FEAR ME AND BOW TO ME. NOW STICK YOUR FINGERS UP YOUR BUTTHOLE AND THEN SUCK THEM ALL DAY LONG, YES YES THIS MAKES HAPPY INDIAN TOILET HAPPY. THEN GO TO PUBLIC REST ROOMS AT THE MOVIES AND GO INTO RANDOM BATHROOMS TO EAT PEOPLES POOP FROM TOILETS WHO DIDN’T FLUSH. AND THEN BEG FOR PEOPLES POOP OUTSIDE. DO IT I DEMAND YOU TO. I AM THE KING OF YOU ALL KING WOOPIE GOLDBURG, FOOD WILL BE REPLACED WITH POOP, WE WILL ALL EAT POOP FROM NOW ON.
I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech…”
Well, I’m no atheist but…
If that speeSort of out of the blue I suppose, but I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech argument over the Islam-insulting film that allegedly, but actually did not, set off the embassy attacks overseas. The head of the UN said that he believed in free speech except in causing hurt and insult to others, and the LA Times, and several high-profile folks in entertainment and politics have said the film-maker needs to be punished for insulting Islam – well, inflaming things anyway, making the “crying fire in a theater” argument. There are even calls for international laws against insulting religious figures, including Mohammad, Buddha and Jesus. So in light of that, where do you guys stand? I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity. Sure they moan and groan and get a prayer circle going for you which I know is annoying, but past that you can be pretty sure you are safe. But what if they start passing laws that say you can’t post things that attack religion? Any religion including the horror that is Christianity. What WILL you guys do for fun on the internet then? Or seriously, what will you do about it at all? And before you say, bullshit, it will never happen, I strongly suggest you rethink that. Once they started calling things “hate crimes” they opened a big damn door because any thought can be described by someone else as hateful and therefore any statement can as well. I’ll end by saying I assume you guys are a tad concerned about this trend. I know I am because no matter how offensive the speech one should have the right for the government not to restrict it.
ch is just trolling for the sake of trolling, pissing others of, etc., then it’s not speech, so…
“I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity.”
They had their “5 minutes” of “fun and games” in them Middle Ages. Islam is +/- 600 years “behind” them, hence “the fun and games” now.
“…you are safe…”
Nope. People who “believe” instead of thinking, aren’t close to safe, vide all the fuck up cults, people. Does David Koresh ring any bells ? Didn’t Timothy McVeigh believe in Adonai, and took the last sacrament ? How about the “new kid” on the religion block Scientology ?
The Bible didn’t change since the Middle Ages, so the possibility of another Dark Age is still there.
As for the ban of religion criticism, and religions in general, I do hope that someday people will have it enough, and religions will lose their “divinity”, thus becoming just another philosophy I YOU EAT THE POOP ALL DAY LONG
Once again the athiests get it all wrong. It isn’t the questioning God that gets the punishment. It isn’t even the doing wrong. It is refusing to accept that God is real and that he died for your sins that gets you sent to hell.
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September 20, 2012 at 9:56 am
What I love about this impassioned plea is that you don’t refute the key problem that the poster is pointing out (i.e. loving Deity who has set up a way for you to be tortured forever), just the WAY that you will be tortured forever.
So the poster should actually read “I love you, but if you don’t accept that I exist despite any demonstrable proof, if you formulate any ideas that weren’t coneived of two millenia ago, I will torture you forever in waysyou can’t imagine.”
If it read that, aces. Did I get it wrong?
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hochunk (UID# 5604) 3 1
September 20, 2012 at 2:21 pm
If God gave us the capacity for Original Sin, Then any disbelief in Him is kinda His fault, isn’t it?
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September 20, 2012 at 8:52 am
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pretty lame statement lol
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npbnjvsxynpsff (UID# 44655) Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 4 0
September 20, 2012 at 11:11 am ? Baby don’t hurt me. Don’t hurt me no more. ?
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dallasalice (UID# 16723) Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 4 0
September 20, 2012 at 11:27 am Sort of out of the blue I suppose, but I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech argument over the Islam-insulting film that allegedly, but actually did not, set off the embassy attacks overseas. The head of the UN said that he believed in free speech except in causing hurt and insult to others, and the LA Times, and several high-profile folks in entertainment and politics have said the film-maker needs to be punished for insulting Islam – well, inflaming things anyway, making the “crying fire in a theater” argument. There are even calls for international laws against insulting religious figures, including Mohammad, Buddha and Jesus. So in light of that, where do you guys stand? I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity. Sure they moan and groan and get a prayer circle going for you which I know is annoying, but past that you can be pretty sure you are safe. But what if they start passing laws that say you can’t post things that attack religion? Any religion including the horror that is Christianity. What WILL you guys do for fun on the internet then? Or seriously, what will you do about it at all? And before you say, bullshit, it will never happen, I strongly suggest you rethink that. Once they started calling things “hate crimes” they opened a big damn door because any thought can be described by someone else as hateful and therefore any statement can as well. I’ll end by saying I assume you guys are a tad concerned about this trend. I know I am because no matter how offensive the speech one should have the right for the government not to restrict it.
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korinthian (UID# 3174) 0 1
September 20, 2012 at 11:44 am
I’ll take a shot at answering some of that:
Streisand Effect.
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dallasalice (UID# 16723) 2 0
September 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm Oh yes, the more you try to ban speech the more if flowers, but that so far that has really only applied to the calls for free speech restrictions. No one, in the USA anyway, has passed laws restricting free speech against religion. Or kowtowed to foreign laws doing so. My question, though was I assume you are at least a little concerned that our current government, and indeed many of those who usually champion free speech, seem to be placing Islam in a special category. And since the only way that really sells is to ban all trash talk against religion – or at least religious figures – it seems to me that this would be of some concern to atheists as a group. Understand, korinthian, that even though you and I disagree on, well, pretty much everything, I respect your free speech rights and I want no one’s restricted.
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dallasalice (UID# 16723) Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 4 0
September 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm My concern is we are moving towards actual laws against insulting religion. And if that happens you might as well say goodbye to free speech totally.
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crewmanguy (UID# 47015) Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 4 0
September 20, 2012 at 1:04 pm Free speech should be defended, even if we don’t agree with what is being said.
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insanonaut (UID# 179180) 0 1
September 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm The Crusades.
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npbnjvsxynpsff (UID# 44655) 0 1
September 20, 2012 at 3:27 pm “…I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech…”
Well, I’m no atheist but…
If that speech is just trolling for the sake of trolling, pissing others of, etc., then it’s not speech, so…
“I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity.”
They had their “5 minutes” of “fun and games” in them Middle Ages. Islam is +/- 600 years “behind” them, hence “the fun and games” now.
“…you are safe…”
Nope. People who “believe” instead of thinking, aren’t close to safe, vide all the fuck up cults, people. Does David Koresh ring any bells ? Didn’t Timothy McVeigh believe in Adonai, and took the last sacrament ? How about the “new kid” on the religion block Scientology ?
The Bible didn’t change since the Middle Ages, so the possibility of another Dark Age is still there.
As for the ban of religion criticism, and religions in general, I do hope that someday people will have it enough, and religions will lose their “divinity”, thus becoming just another philosophy.
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korinthian (UID# 3174) 0 1
September 20, 2012 at 3:53 pm
“If that speech is just trolling for the sake of trolling, pissing others of, etc., then it’s not speech, so…”
You’re wrong: That’s when free speech is the most important.
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(UID# ) 1 1
September 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Fuck myths.
Free speech. *Always* and *forever*.
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stolid (UID# 1669) 0 0
September 20, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’d just go to /b/ where you can say and do almost anything.
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(UID# ) 4 2
September 20, 2012 at 12:02 pm
From an atheist: free speech good, crazy people bad. Those zealots would be zealots about anything, they just have religion and have been coerced to be this way. They could of been coerced into this because the stay puff marshmallow man was melted by egon for their sins.
You don’t get to be tip toed around because you are crazy, we get you help and pop-sickles that you are not allowed to run around while eating.
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outlanderssc (UID# 17653) Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 4 0
September 20, 2012 at 1:53 pm It could be noted that there are numerous religions that don’t believe in eternal suffering for sinfulness.
In fact, it doesn’t even exist in the Bible. According to Revelations after you die you wait for judgement and the “book of life” will be opened to you and God’s plan revealed – if you then reject God you are cast into the lake of fire and destroyed, no eternal suffering.
So eternal suffering is not really a solid argument for Atheism.
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bstaples (UID# 6783) 1 1
September 20, 2012 at 4:08 pm
No, let’s not note that. It’s easier to make sharable pictures on the internet if we use concepts not found in the bible or if we grossly deform/over-simplify content.
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korinthian (UID# 3174) 2 0
September 20, 2012 at 4:12 pm
It’s easier to live with our religion if we use concepts not found in the bible or if we grossly deform/over-simplify content.
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(UID# ) 0 0
September 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm
BIG DICKS UP THE BUTT. I AM BACK TO RULE YOU ALL SHUT UP IM FAMOUS IM WOOPIE GOLDBURG I WILL DESTROY YOU ALL YOU WILL FEAR ME AND BOW TO ME. NOW STICK YOUR FINGERS UP YOUR BUTTHOLE AND THEN SUCK THEM ALL DAY LONG, YES YES THIS MAKES HAPPY INDIAN TOILET HAPPY. THEN GO TO PUBLIC REST ROOMS AT THE MOVIES AND GO INTO RANDOM BATHROOMS TO EAT PEOPLES POOP FROM TOILETS WHO DIDN’T FLUSH. AND THEN BEG FOR PEOPLES POOP OUTSIDE. DO IT I DEMAND YOU TO. I AM THE KING OF YOU ALL KING WOOPIE GOLDBURG, FOOD WILL BE REPLACED WITH POOP, WE WILL ALL EAT POOP FROM NOW ON.
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(UID# ) 0 0
September 20, 2012 at 8:32 pm
I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech…”
Well, I’m no atheist but…
If that speeSort of out of the blue I suppose, but I wonder what the atheists here think of the whole free speech argument over the Islam-insulting film that allegedly, but actually did not, set off the embassy attacks overseas. The head of the UN said that he believed in free speech except in causing hurt and insult to others, and the LA Times, and several high-profile folks in entertainment and politics have said the film-maker needs to be punished for insulting Islam – well, inflaming things anyway, making the “crying fire in a theater” argument. There are even calls for international laws against insulting religious figures, including Mohammad, Buddha and Jesus. So in light of that, where do you guys stand? I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity. Sure they moan and groan and get a prayer circle going for you which I know is annoying, but past that you can be pretty sure you are safe. But what if they start passing laws that say you can’t post things that attack religion? Any religion including the horror that is Christianity. What WILL you guys do for fun on the internet then? Or seriously, what will you do about it at all? And before you say, bullshit, it will never happen, I strongly suggest you rethink that. Once they started calling things “hate crimes” they opened a big damn door because any thought can be described by someone else as hateful and therefore any statement can as well. I’ll end by saying I assume you guys are a tad concerned about this trend. I know I am because no matter how offensive the speech one should have the right for the government not to restrict it.
ch is just trolling for the sake of trolling, pissing others of, etc., then it’s not speech, so…
“I mean you’re never gonna see Christians attacking embassies or calling for the arrest of atheists when they “attack” Jesus or Christianity.”
They had their “5 minutes” of “fun and games” in them