If humans’ predecessors hadn’t been omnivorous, there’s a good chance our brains wouldn’t have been able to develop into what they are today. Vegans yelling at omnivores for continuing that cycle is obviously a sign of devolution.
There have been botany studies claiming that plants undergo a chemical reaction to disturbing stimuli- when insects eat corn leaves, they release chemicals into the air to attract wasps to kill the insect. Plants have self preservation written all over them- poison ivy, thorns, stinging nettle- so they obviously wish to be left undisturbed. Shouldn’t vegans, who are obviously conscientious of sentient beings, have enough respect for plants to leave them alone, and stop ripping them away from their families to fuel yet another Portlandia marathon?
Can you provide some statistics to back up that claim?
I know quite a few vegans and vegetarians personally, and their opinion on abortion varies greatly throughout.
I am a vegetarian myself. I’m actually on the fence on that particular debate. I see valid reasoning on both sides outside of the religious right. I also wouldn’t say I’m a veg for ethical reasons, they perhaps at a point I was. I just don’t want to eat animals, I don’t have a reason for it now, I just don’t want to.
I could just as easily make a statement saying how hypocritical it is that Christians say they value life but then support the factory farm meat production that supports America’s restaurant and grocery industry. If life is supposed to be valued, then why not all life?
…and murder is bad? That’s what is implied right? Cause every time I read that it seems like they want me to eat meat. Murder is bad ass. If it were legal to kill black people as long as you cooked and ate them I’d be down with it big time. Why black people? Why not you fucking racist.
Our entire state of being is based on killing things and eating them. It’s what we’re for. Now I’ve heard “We’ve evolved to the point where we can choose what we eat, just because we CAN eat meat doesn’t mean we SHOULD”. But nature has worked like this for longer than we’ve been forming thoughts more complex than “Hungry? Eat. Horny? Fuck.” Just because we CAN choose doesn’t mean we SHOULD.
I choose good tasting food. I really don’t think or care about the animal initially involved in the meal any more than I do the vegetables being in dirt. When I do think about them it doesn’t upset me at all. Cows are stupid. Hell all farm animals are stupid. If we didn’t breed them to be food their whole fucking species probably would have died out long time ago.
There are still completely wild cattle alive today. The other species of cattle could have survived without our intrusion. There’s no way we can know whether they would or not.
The live species of wild cattle are endangered and it is because of human’s interaction with them. www.wildcattleconservation.org/
You are choosing not to think or care. Whatever, I don’t give a fuck what you do. Pigs are actually one of the smartest mammals alive. Cattle and chickens don’t show much intelligence.
I don’t presume to say what you should do with your life or how you should eat, but saying you are not making a choice to eat animals or not to is inaccurate.
What about the variable of when that choice even can be made? I don’t think I knew what a vegetarian was until I was a teenager. By then I’d had some very comfortable and formative years eating what I was told to eat and that included meat. At that point I then could choose but I’m indifferent to the reasoning which is probably because as stated as a mentality of the whole species above I was comfortable with the outcome of those eating habits. If I had only eaten vegetables until I was a teenager I’d probably be a vegetarian now. I never even entertained any option to adopt a new way of eating so I have never chosen to eat meat but I have chosen not to change how I was raised to eat.
Hate it when I agree with Magnus on anything but s/he’s *totally* on point with this one. Good stuff > Crap stuff. 9 times outta 10 vegetarian dishes are crap and/or crap trying DESPERATELY to taste like meat (I wonder why that is…?).
As a vegetarian, this actually bugs the hell out of me as well. Not the ‘bad food’ part, there’s plenty of delicious veg food.
There is way too much imitation. I understand it’s a comfort thing. These are the things that you were used to eating, but now they don’t contain meat, so enjoy. Some are delicious and some are definitely not at all pleasant. This was also true with actual meat, such as when a BBQ place serves bologna. What the hell are they thinking and why would you eat that?
Mags: You said in your own post it was still a choice.
The reality is that getting a nutritionally complete diet as a Vegetarian is HARD. Very few of the people I’ve known who were on a Vegetarian Diet at the time DIDN’T have Nutrition Problems. The saddest in my opinion was the little boy whose Soy heavy diet overloaded him on estrogen like compounds and totally messed up his reproductive system. If THAT isn’t Child Abuse, I’m not sure what is.
Soy is a bad choice for a vegetarian diet, it needs to be in moderation.
It’s definitely possible to have a complete vegan or vegetarian diet. People need to realize they need to do research before they let go off all the meat.
It is definitely POSSIBLE, unless you are going through puberty or are a woman trying to carry a baby to term. Friend of mine’s wife miscarried three times before the Doctors and Midwives finally convinced her to include dairy, eggs and seafood to her diet. Three kids later she is one of the fiercest opponents to Vegetarian Diets. Not that she lets her kids (or herself) eat ANYTHING, but the kids have been known to eat the occasional chicken nugget.
You can be vegan or vegetarian and go through puberty or pregnancy without eating meat. You have to be sure you’re getting everything you need during those periods.
I know vegan mothers who remained vegan through their diet and I know a friend that was vegetarian since she was 11.
The main challenge is B12 and Vitamin D and balancing carbohydrates against proteins.
I would agree that pregnancy is the hardest situation in which to maintain a veg diet, but it is not impossible to do so healthily.
Actually that IS the point. While you CAN get through Puberty and Pregnancy on a Vegan Diet, it’s HARD while doing the same thing eating only small amounts of Dairy or Meat is EXTREMELY easy. I can easily get a Nutritionally Complete Diet on a third of the Calories that a Vegan Diet would require. I also find it interesting that with the exception of Seafood, the WORST of the Food Allergies are to Plants which are extremely Life Threatening. Meat and Meat Related Food Allergies are rarely Life Threatening and mostly a matter of Comfort. (While somebody who is Allergic to Milk that has ingested Milk may be EXTREMELY uncomfortable with Bloating and Gas, they almost never find themselves in an ICU like somebody with a Peanut Allergy that merely comes in contact with Peanut Residue.)
Most of your meat is actually corn now so whatever nutrition it once had is almost out the window now, never mind all the poisons you inject your cows with as well. Getting bad up here in Canada as well. Thank you Corp loving yanks
Just because salad doesn’t scream when you eat it, doesn’t mean that you still didn’t have to kill a living thing to eat.
Most animals don’t scream when you eat them because they are already dead.
Plants are easily replenished. With animals it is harder to replenish them.
Eat maor rabbit!
Yeah… cultivation of the land down to the bloody ground and scouring it just so you can grow “your crop” of vegetation is sooooo much more “moral”.
If humans’ predecessors hadn’t been omnivorous, there’s a good chance our brains wouldn’t have been able to develop into what they are today. Vegans yelling at omnivores for continuing that cycle is obviously a sign of devolution.
There have been botany studies claiming that plants undergo a chemical reaction to disturbing stimuli- when insects eat corn leaves, they release chemicals into the air to attract wasps to kill the insect. Plants have self preservation written all over them- poison ivy, thorns, stinging nettle- so they obviously wish to be left undisturbed. Shouldn’t vegans, who are obviously conscientious of sentient beings, have enough respect for plants to leave them alone, and stop ripping them away from their families to fuel yet another Portlandia marathon?
They even had a study recently that said plants talk to each other.
Where’s his billboard when he’s got dude-meat in his mouth
In your mom’s room.
What does that even mean lol. My mom sleeps with gay British pop stars? A billboard can fit inside her house? Lolz your silly.
Nice save.
The hilariously hypocritical part is that most of those who think eating meat is murder are the same ones who think abortion isn’t murder.
Can you provide some statistics to back up that claim?
I know quite a few vegans and vegetarians personally, and their opinion on abortion varies greatly throughout.
I am a vegetarian myself. I’m actually on the fence on that particular debate. I see valid reasoning on both sides outside of the religious right. I also wouldn’t say I’m a veg for ethical reasons, they perhaps at a point I was. I just don’t want to eat animals, I don’t have a reason for it now, I just don’t want to.
I could just as easily make a statement saying how hypocritical it is that Christians say they value life but then support the factory farm meat production that supports America’s restaurant and grocery industry. If life is supposed to be valued, then why not all life?
…and murder is bad? That’s what is implied right? Cause every time I read that it seems like they want me to eat meat. Murder is bad ass. If it were legal to kill black people as long as you cooked and ate them I’d be down with it big time. Why black people? Why not you fucking racist.
You know why they called it Soylent Green? Because “Nigger Crackers” would have been too confusing.
Our entire state of being is based on killing things and eating them. It’s what we’re for. Now I’ve heard “We’ve evolved to the point where we can choose what we eat, just because we CAN eat meat doesn’t mean we SHOULD”. But nature has worked like this for longer than we’ve been forming thoughts more complex than “Hungry? Eat. Horny? Fuck.” Just because we CAN choose doesn’t mean we SHOULD.
Nor that we shouldn’t choose. Once you realize there is a choice, no matter what you do, you are choosing.
I choose good tasting food. I really don’t think or care about the animal initially involved in the meal any more than I do the vegetables being in dirt. When I do think about them it doesn’t upset me at all. Cows are stupid. Hell all farm animals are stupid. If we didn’t breed them to be food their whole fucking species probably would have died out long time ago.
Check mate, Texas.
There are still completely wild cattle alive today. The other species of cattle could have survived without our intrusion. There’s no way we can know whether they would or not.
The live species of wild cattle are endangered and it is because of human’s interaction with them. www.wildcattleconservation.org/
You are choosing not to think or care. Whatever, I don’t give a fuck what you do. Pigs are actually one of the smartest mammals alive. Cattle and chickens don’t show much intelligence.
I don’t presume to say what you should do with your life or how you should eat, but saying you are not making a choice to eat animals or not to is inaccurate.
What about the variable of when that choice even can be made? I don’t think I knew what a vegetarian was until I was a teenager. By then I’d had some very comfortable and formative years eating what I was told to eat and that included meat. At that point I then could choose but I’m indifferent to the reasoning which is probably because as stated as a mentality of the whole species above I was comfortable with the outcome of those eating habits. If I had only eaten vegetables until I was a teenager I’d probably be a vegetarian now. I never even entertained any option to adopt a new way of eating so I have never chosen to eat meat but I have chosen not to change how I was raised to eat.
Hate it when I agree with Magnus on anything but s/he’s *totally* on point with this one. Good stuff > Crap stuff. 9 times outta 10 vegetarian dishes are crap and/or crap trying DESPERATELY to taste like meat (I wonder why that is…?).
As a vegetarian, this actually bugs the hell out of me as well. Not the ‘bad food’ part, there’s plenty of delicious veg food.
There is way too much imitation. I understand it’s a comfort thing. These are the things that you were used to eating, but now they don’t contain meat, so enjoy. Some are delicious and some are definitely not at all pleasant. This was also true with actual meat, such as when a BBQ place serves bologna. What the hell are they thinking and why would you eat that?
Mags: You said in your own post it was still a choice.
An imitation Rolex is not a Rolex. Why settle for less?
You don’t eat watches, silly, Luke.
The reality is that getting a nutritionally complete diet as a Vegetarian is HARD. Very few of the people I’ve known who were on a Vegetarian Diet at the time DIDN’T have Nutrition Problems. The saddest in my opinion was the little boy whose Soy heavy diet overloaded him on estrogen like compounds and totally messed up his reproductive system. If THAT isn’t Child Abuse, I’m not sure what is.
Soy is a bad choice for a vegetarian diet, it needs to be in moderation.
It’s definitely possible to have a complete vegan or vegetarian diet. People need to realize they need to do research before they let go off all the meat.
You make my point Sir or Madam,
It is definitely POSSIBLE, unless you are going through puberty or are a woman trying to carry a baby to term. Friend of mine’s wife miscarried three times before the Doctors and Midwives finally convinced her to include dairy, eggs and seafood to her diet. Three kids later she is one of the fiercest opponents to Vegetarian Diets. Not that she lets her kids (or herself) eat ANYTHING, but the kids have been known to eat the occasional chicken nugget.
You can be vegan or vegetarian and go through puberty or pregnancy without eating meat. You have to be sure you’re getting everything you need during those periods.
I know vegan mothers who remained vegan through their diet and I know a friend that was vegetarian since she was 11.
The main challenge is B12 and Vitamin D and balancing carbohydrates against proteins.
I would agree that pregnancy is the hardest situation in which to maintain a veg diet, but it is not impossible to do so healthily.
Or you could just eat meat. Problem solved.
That’s not the point.
Actually that IS the point. While you CAN get through Puberty and Pregnancy on a Vegan Diet, it’s HARD while doing the same thing eating only small amounts of Dairy or Meat is EXTREMELY easy. I can easily get a Nutritionally Complete Diet on a third of the Calories that a Vegan Diet would require. I also find it interesting that with the exception of Seafood, the WORST of the Food Allergies are to Plants which are extremely Life Threatening. Meat and Meat Related Food Allergies are rarely Life Threatening and mostly a matter of Comfort. (While somebody who is Allergic to Milk that has ingested Milk may be EXTREMELY uncomfortable with Bloating and Gas, they almost never find themselves in an ICU like somebody with a Peanut Allergy that merely comes in contact with Peanut Residue.)
You said it’s not possible.
Puberty isn’t that hard to get through on a veg diet.
Can you not hear the cries of the carrots ?! One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear!
Tomorrow is harvest day. And to them, it is the holocaust.
Reverend Maynard
Why did they die,
Just to fill an indigestible pie?
Most of your meat is actually corn now so whatever nutrition it once had is almost out the window now, never mind all the poisons you inject your cows with as well. Getting bad up here in Canada as well. Thank you Corp loving yanks
I AM THE FUCKER OF PINEAPPLES