“Apparently God approves of rape and genocide.”
Shocking.
Not.
It’s very apparent, even if you read only the “first chapter” (Genesis) to realize that. Deuteronomy has some good shit too.
They killed the women because they spread venereal disease among the Israelite men – they let the virgins live.
“15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
They killed non-virgin women because they didn’t know how sexual reproduction worked. If a woman had sex with a man, any child she had in the future, even years later, could be that man’s child.
Even accepting the premise of it being a public health issue, committing genocide to stop VD seems kinda…
well…
evil…
And then there is the whole issue of keeping the virgins for yourselves. Using nuclear weapons as antibiotics I can at least follow the bouncing ball to understand the reason (even if I disagree with the accounting of worth). Raping children however I just cant seem to be “OK” with.
I guess the subject was why I went with Pap in the first place. Centaur looks ok though I guess. I admit though to having limited taste and experience in such things.
How is the arrangement, all in all? Aside from wanting to provoke some comments, the point of the exercise was to learn a bit about Illustrator and a little about design.
So, it would have been “ok” to slaughter every German at the end of WWII including women and children? (Excepting of course the virgins, don’t kill them, keep them for yourself).
Was the post meant to be provocative? Yes. Is it an unreasonable point? I’ll leave that to the peanut gallery.
Vance (#)
13 years ago
I can’t see how it was done because of venereal disease. Yes, Israelite men were having sexual relations with the Midianite (and Moabite) women, but these liasons were regarded as unlawful in and of themselves (the act). The lure of settling down with them instead of with their own women was considered a way that “Israel” would / could be taken away permanently; Israel’s continued existence threatened. Anyway, those peoples in a tribe under the herem (Yahweh war) were to all be killed in the conflict, with no exceptions. Those actually occupying the land these Israelites believed was promised them by their God, YHWH, such as the Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, Canaanites, Parazzites, and Hivites, were not to be spared. None of them. The Midionites were not in the land, and the young women were spared death (as otherwise would have been the case) and instead were taken as prisoners. I suppose the young males, already, or soon to become teenagers, could and would have been inclined to take revenge in the not too distant future, desiring to reinstate the ways of their fathers.
The Biblical reason is stated earlier, in Numbers 25: 18. The Midianites were in the land of Moab. They helped give the Moabites military advice. The Moabites worshipped the war god, Chemosh, and both were engaged in the worship of the fertility god, Baal, which in these days of Moses’ time involved religious sexual rites – temple prostitution & veneration of the dead and ceremonial meals, for and to that god and his female consort, Asherah. As best as one could tell, the call for the elimination of these people was in sync with Moses’ realization that the Hebrew people would eventually become apostates to their God, YHWH, if the whole Midianite way of life was not destroyed. Their God, YHWH, had already cursed them, the texts says, and worse was believed to come if the Hebrew civilians had the chance to embrace these gods to any further a degree.
out of context, of course. Hipsters can’t bother with actual FACTS when glib t-shirt and poster slogans are so much easier.
This was their policy when invading the Promised Land, yes. Because they were going to war against tribes whose cultural practices made the Incan heart-rippers and the Anasazi cannibals look like GIRL SCOUTS. These people were the stuff of horror stories for all the neighboring nations, and exterminating them to the last man and subsuming the females into the conquering peoples was the most effective and thorough way to make sure their civilization did not rise again.
Not a hipster. Sorry to disappoint. Yea, I left out the couple of sentences in the middle in order to pull in the people to explain the reason. I just also happen to think that there is no valid reason for such heinous acts.
For the sake of simplification I will accept the claim that the invaded people were in fact committing heinous acts in the name of religion. This still leaves me to evaluate the claim that because a people was brutally killing a portion of their population their entire population should be brutally killed in the name of religion. Uh… Okaaaay… Lets go with that too.
Problem is, even if genocide of was a reasonable action to take against such people there is still the whole issue of massacring and raping children. I’ll be egalitarian and say that the adult women are subject to moral standards and I’ll even assume that every last adult was equally culpable, women included. Even then I just cant seem to get past the whole rape thing. We can all think of instances where it might be morally acceptable to kill someone. Many of us can think of instances were it might be acceptable to kill an innocent person and provide a sound argument. I just cant think of anything to justify child rape. I know, call me a bleeding heart liberal and all but I just have to say I cant help but to call the mass rape of children just plain evil.
Why were they supposed to be killed?
THAT ASS
He loves you,
but he hates people you label “fag,” “witch,” or “jew.”
o.k., I give shitstorm a try.
“Apparently God approves of rape and genocide.”
Shocking.
Not.
It’s very apparent, even if you read only the “first chapter” (Genesis) to realize that. Deuteronomy has some good shit too.
They killed the women because they spread venereal disease among the Israelite men – they let the virgins live.
“15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the LORD in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
They killed non-virgin women because they didn’t know how sexual reproduction worked. If a woman had sex with a man, any child she had in the future, even years later, could be that man’s child.
Even accepting the premise of it being a public health issue, committing genocide to stop VD seems kinda…
well…
evil…
And then there is the whole issue of keeping the virgins for yourselves. Using nuclear weapons as antibiotics I can at least follow the bouncing ball to understand the reason (even if I disagree with the accounting of worth). Raping children however I just cant seem to be “OK” with.
Moses would take a class in graphic design, and use some other font than fucking Papyrus.
Font snobs are worse than grammar nazis.
What about Font Nazis?
Yes, I am an engineer not a graphic designer. Do you want your money back?
Sure.
You got it. Check your pocket.
In all seriousness though, aside from Papyrus, what would you suggest?
Er, I mean aside from Helvetica…
Centaur seems like a good start, for the subject matter in question –maybe boldface it for better clarity.
And kudos for at least coloring the type to contrast w/ the background.
I guess the subject was why I went with Pap in the first place. Centaur looks ok though I guess. I admit though to having limited taste and experience in such things.
How is the arrangement, all in all? Aside from wanting to provoke some comments, the point of the exercise was to learn a bit about Illustrator and a little about design.
This is why people should just point and laugh at religion.
i usually point and laugh at slanty eyed gook motherfuckers
are rape and genocide bad?
Not in the god’s eyes.
God didn’t write the Bible. A bunch of guys from the stone ages did.
Moses was a pedo?
So was Mohammed. Gandhi too.
Troll Post. Dumbass didn’t tell you the context.
This was God’s enactment of revenge against the Midianites for bringing subversion, plague, and war on the Israelites.
So you approve of revenge, rape and genocide?
You’re either the troll here or highly immoral.
So, it would have been “ok” to slaughter every German at the end of WWII including women and children? (Excepting of course the virgins, don’t kill them, keep them for yourself).
Was the post meant to be provocative? Yes. Is it an unreasonable point? I’ll leave that to the peanut gallery.
I can’t see how it was done because of venereal disease. Yes, Israelite men were having sexual relations with the Midianite (and Moabite) women, but these liasons were regarded as unlawful in and of themselves (the act). The lure of settling down with them instead of with their own women was considered a way that “Israel” would / could be taken away permanently; Israel’s continued existence threatened. Anyway, those peoples in a tribe under the herem (Yahweh war) were to all be killed in the conflict, with no exceptions. Those actually occupying the land these Israelites believed was promised them by their God, YHWH, such as the Hittites, Jebusites, Amorites, Canaanites, Parazzites, and Hivites, were not to be spared. None of them. The Midionites were not in the land, and the young women were spared death (as otherwise would have been the case) and instead were taken as prisoners. I suppose the young males, already, or soon to become teenagers, could and would have been inclined to take revenge in the not too distant future, desiring to reinstate the ways of their fathers.
The Biblical reason is stated earlier, in Numbers 25: 18. The Midianites were in the land of Moab. They helped give the Moabites military advice. The Moabites worshipped the war god, Chemosh, and both were engaged in the worship of the fertility god, Baal, which in these days of Moses’ time involved religious sexual rites – temple prostitution & veneration of the dead and ceremonial meals, for and to that god and his female consort, Asherah. As best as one could tell, the call for the elimination of these people was in sync with Moses’ realization that the Hebrew people would eventually become apostates to their God, YHWH, if the whole Midianite way of life was not destroyed. Their God, YHWH, had already cursed them, the texts says, and worse was believed to come if the Hebrew civilians had the chance to embrace these gods to any further a degree.
out of context, of course. Hipsters can’t bother with actual FACTS when glib t-shirt and poster slogans are so much easier.
This was their policy when invading the Promised Land, yes. Because they were going to war against tribes whose cultural practices made the Incan heart-rippers and the Anasazi cannibals look like GIRL SCOUTS. These people were the stuff of horror stories for all the neighboring nations, and exterminating them to the last man and subsuming the females into the conquering peoples was the most effective and thorough way to make sure their civilization did not rise again.
Were those cultural practices worse than the genocide/rape of an entire people?
Nope.
Try again.
Not a hipster. Sorry to disappoint. Yea, I left out the couple of sentences in the middle in order to pull in the people to explain the reason. I just also happen to think that there is no valid reason for such heinous acts.
For the sake of simplification I will accept the claim that the invaded people were in fact committing heinous acts in the name of religion. This still leaves me to evaluate the claim that because a people was brutally killing a portion of their population their entire population should be brutally killed in the name of religion. Uh… Okaaaay… Lets go with that too.
Problem is, even if genocide of was a reasonable action to take against such people there is still the whole issue of massacring and raping children. I’ll be egalitarian and say that the adult women are subject to moral standards and I’ll even assume that every last adult was equally culpable, women included. Even then I just cant seem to get past the whole rape thing. We can all think of instances where it might be morally acceptable to kill someone. Many of us can think of instances were it might be acceptable to kill an innocent person and provide a sound argument. I just cant think of anything to justify child rape. I know, call me a bleeding heart liberal and all but I just have to say I cant help but to call the mass rape of children just plain evil.