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It’d would be sweet to train under these guys. I’ve taken several years of BJJ on and off and its fun, but I’m more of a striking guy. Krav Maga is more suited to me, but BJJ is alright too.
Aren’t you on the west coast? Cesar Gracie trains people out there.
He’s actually really good at integrating the Beej with striking, so it’s probably right up your alley. In general he has a pretty good handle on integrating BJJ into the larger scheme of things.
We do a lot of that in Ninjutsu too. But it’s more advanced, I am just now working on it.
Cool picture, but I find it funny when BJJ guys try to teach throws. Yes, BJJ is derived form Judo, but they’ve lost a lot of knowledge through their training practices. Uke is going to break his elbow if he keeps doing ukemi like that. Or his neck.
Not if Uke rolls up into a ball and lands on his side. Uke still has time to adjust in this photo. Throws are fun, but in a real fight I wouldn’t use em. Only if it were a sacrifice throw.
Maybe, but he would need to do that quick to make that happen. He’d be better off getting the form right in the first place. Besides, in my experience BJJ guys tend to have horrible Ukemi, mostly because they don’t devote enough time to get good at it.
Wait a minute, did we just switch roles? I’m attacking BJJ and you’re defending it. What the fuck, dude?
Throws are entirely situational for me. If there’s an opportunity, I use the, but if not I don’t. It’s all about debana.
I like the throw where the uke is thrown while their arms are tied. Only choice they have is to land on their head. My instructor has only thrown me once with that one slowly. The reverse ones are fun to, where you have to do a backflip basically. Cannot wait to learn the advanced scary as fuck throws.
Na I am just speaking for breakfalls. 🙂 I still think he has time enough to adjust and fall safely. But if you say BJJ people are that bad at throws and ukemi. Well, he is about to be in a world of pain.
BJJ guys usually comprise a mountain of suck and fail when it come to takedowns in general. It’s a weakness that comes from their over-specialized training.
In an average class there are usually one or two guys that know how to get someone of their feet , and those are the people who have training in something besides BJJ. The rest want to pull guard and buttscoot.
BJJ, in my opinion, is one of those thing where you have to take the good with the bad. They’re very good at what they do, but they’re incompetent in all other areas.
Honestly it’s best as a supplementary martial art, not a primary one. There was a time in the 90’s when nobody knew BJJ and the Gracies could kick everyone’s asses, but now the big secret is out and it’s not the same. Don’t tell pure BJJ guys that or they’ll shit their pants.
I only really know MMA people that train in BJJ. A friend of mine put me in sideguard to show me and he did it with full intent. I wondered if I could get out of it using something from Ninjutsu. I attacked a pressure point with medium intent, enough to hurt a bit and he jumped 5 feet back. haha. But the whole time I was thinking, I could totally gouge his eyes out now. But BJJ definitely has it’s strengths. Although I’d be worried that the persons buddy would come by and kick the BJJ practitioner in the head. Fights over.
Keep in mind the BJJ guy could gouge your eyes too, but otherwise you have a point.
The strength of BJJ is its emphasis on positional control on the ground. The point is to be in the best position to attack, whether your striking, submitting, or something else. But you probably already know this.
The problem with the vital striking that people often advocate against BJJ is it’s a crapshoot. You could catch him offguard and escape, or you could just piss him off and earn a bigger asskicking.
It’s not wise to pretend such attacks are the silver bullet for beating a grappler. But they’re not entirely ineffective as the other camp tries to pretend. It’s all situational.
I think the real question in a fight involving BJJ is whether or not you have a smart BJJ guy.
I think this illustrates my point. There are eye gouge attempts at about :27 and :34 seconds, to no avail.
Startlingly, it wasn’t really the eye gouge attempts that failed. It was the Karate guy’s lack of understanding of BJJ. He was attacking from a bad position the whole time and gave up positions to the Beejer.
Also, the bjj guy has a crap takedown that only works because of the karate guy rushes forward like a douche.
Honestly I think the fight could have went the other way with a few adjustments. In a different situation, with a different approach, the eye gouges might have worked.
Well I am not saying to depend on it. Just that if you have a chance. Use everything these fights are not prepared for. Basically everything you cannot do in competition.
That fight was a joke. Karate man had no ground skills. He could have kneed bjj guy in the jaw before he was taken down or punched him in the face. Once he was down it was over. I find those kind of fights hilarious anyhow. That’s not chaotic real street fight. Plus I am still a newb, although I am good enough that they are having me teach now and starting to focus on very difficult things in Ninjutsu with me. Also a bit of light sparring.
That isn’t the greatest fight ever, but it does illustrate my point.
BTW, what’s a “chaotic real street fight”?
A street fight without rules. Fighting a drunk/ drugged up dude or someone trying to kill you. Gnar gnar.
I see the discussion is going in THAT direction.
I like you, puulaahi, but it’s clear we’ll never see eye to eye on everything.
There is only one solution. We must fight to the death.
What background would you prefer to fight on? I like the bridge over the pit of spikes, but I would also accept the convenience store with random cheering Japanese onlookers and the old guy who rides by on a bike at regular intervals.
Let’s fight on an American Airfield with jet’s flying over or better yet!!!, on the top of a Japanese Castle. I too have played Street Fighter.
We don’t agree and see things from different angles. I too enjoy our discussions bro. I am humble too, honestly I know nothing. I am still a newb in the grand scheme of things. Definitely have a long way to go in my art too. But I love it. Will definitely be carrying on the tradition of Ninjutsu someday. Halfway to blackbelt!!!
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gracie bjj = judokan
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That’s common knowledge. The Gracies just made it their own and about competition.
the gracies are a brand name for bullshit. gracie this, gracie that, theyre a fucking joke. claiming they thought of some shit by themselves then fighting people on the street (who have no clue how to fight) to get credit. bravo.
The Gracies can be a gang of self-aggrandizing twats, I’ll give you that, and everything they do is just specialization in old style Judo groundfighting.
But to give credit where it’s due, they did preserve an aspect of Judo that was almost lost. I started Judo in the 80’s when I was a young man, and I only learned rudimentary newaza(Judo ground fighting).
Before WWII, in judo there was maybe a 50/50 emphasis on groundfighting and standup techniques. After Judo became an Olympic sport the emphasis shifted towards throwing techniques and a lot was lost.
The gracies helped preserve what was almost lost, love em or hate em.
If it makes you feel better, the Gracies are pretty much getting overshadowed in their own sport now. They’ll be irrelevant in 10 to 20 years or so.
May be overshadowed, but their cocks will always be sucked by the masses of UFC followers. Truth is, I liked all this more before all the money got involved and more rules were added. Even though it was all a stunt to sell the art to the world. And it worked. Cus BJJ/MMA is the new cool.
MMA is nothing new too. Jeet Kun Do and Ninjutsu are MMA. I know their are more arts like this too. Wouldn’t be surprised if Shaolin Kung Fu is too.
Pretty much every MA in history was developed by take little bits of different styles and mixing them together.
Hell, by this definition Aikido is MMA.
And to tell the truth, every MA has some icon that’s is slavishly worshiped.
pankration = mma
pankration = was around 3000 years ago in ancient greece
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration
Not surprising. Ancient Greece invented everything.