The reason people seem to have two number of what deficit Bush left (4.8 bil vs 1.2 tri) was because the bank’s bail out money. Bush sign it, but it wasn’t a one pay check cash all thing. Banks didn’t collect most of those money til ’09 started.
That being said, the “bail” out money was a “loan” not free found. Unlike most of stimulus money (man, those just like money throw into ocean and hope the water will get closer to your beach side house).
Considering that the bulk of the deficit we carry now is from the two wars Bush got us into, plus the cleanup from the economic crash that occurred on Bush’s watch, I think it’s specious at best to blame Obama for the soaring debt.
Plus, with much of the TARP money coming back – some with interest, it’s also specious to estimate Obama’s effect on the economy until his term is over. The US taxpayers actually MADE $12 Billion on the Citigroup bailout, and it looks like they will make money on GM as well. It’s entirely possible that TARP will be a washout or may even reduce the deficit by several billion.
I hate to argue, but the 2010 deficit is lower than the previous year, which would be the last year Bush was responsible for. Much of the argument comes down to when one president leaves responsibility and the other pick it up…
Not the fucking fags crying semen tears because they can’t even read this is from 2008.
Facts are facts and the current president is a resounding failure. If he couldn’t take the job on and was going to just blame the last guy why the fuck did he run?
Obama’s legacy is bullshit and excuses and a small overly vocal minority who refuse to see they’re wrong.
I agree that Obama got stuck with Bush’s mess.
BUT, Bush didn’t allow the TSA to run wild, Obama did.
Guantanamo Bay is still open.
Shifting soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan sure doesn’t seem like ending a war.
On his campaign website, Obama promised he would “remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”and “bring combat troops ‘HOME’ by May 20, 2010”
Redeploying them to Afghanistan seems just a bit disingenuous.
sambo78: “This should be fun.”
Your attempt at a polar argument is futile.
I am not here to entertain you kid.
You don’t know the meaning of the word disingenuous.
You’re the one being disingenuous. You’re being selective with the facts to make your case.
Obama promised to bring combat troops home from Iraq. He did, as of August. He never promised to have troops home from Afghanistan.
It’s a few months late on the deadline, but so what. At least he didn’t fly onto an aircraft carrier and announce the war was over when it was just getting started, or send troops into combat without body armor like Rumsfeld did.
But the fact of the matter is he got it done. Three months overdue is nothing considering the logistical issues involved.
Obama said he would increase the number of troops in Afghanistan. He did. It’s not disingenuous for him to do what he promised.
Bush wasn’t retarded at all. He was quite intelligent.
People underestimated him because of that good ol’ country boy routine he pulled.
He could have been a better president too. Unfortunately, his priorities were in the wrong place. He made too many decisions for political reasons.
For instance his opposition to the gay rights movement. I actually believe that was a purely political move to get votes. Bush struck me as the type of guy who really didn’t give a shit over things like that. And as we know from her autobiography, Laura Bush supports gay rights.
He was sort of like Reagan in that regard. Ronald Reagan was friends with Rock Hudson, who was openly gay. Apparently he had several other gay friends from his Hollywood days.
Unfortunately, during that time the GOP really starting to court the religious right for votes. So to please them, Reagan opposed gay rights.
It’s just his cock.
Getting the Keys to a already burning Building doesn’t mean you burned it down… but I feel it’s not even worth it anymore debating this.
Well said.
Troik pretty much nailed it.
It won’t stop the right from using Obama as a scapegoat for the pimples on their asses.
Pretty sure bush left with a 1.2 trillion deficit…guess that isn’t as funny as blaming the entire thing on the black guy.
It didn’t stop the Tea Party from showing up three months after Obama was elected to blame him for the Bush ere spending and tax levels.
For jeebus’ sake, they started crying about taxes right after Obama lowered taxes.
So much wrong with this post, it’s hardly worth debating. But Obama has actually reduced the deficit from what Bush left…
Agree on there are many wrong/incomplete info on this post but no, Obama has NOT yet to reduced the deficit what Bush left.
The reason people seem to have two number of what deficit Bush left (4.8 bil vs 1.2 tri) was because the bank’s bail out money. Bush sign it, but it wasn’t a one pay check cash all thing. Banks didn’t collect most of those money til ’09 started.
That being said, the “bail” out money was a “loan” not free found. Unlike most of stimulus money (man, those just like money throw into ocean and hope the water will get closer to your beach side house).
You fail at English, Logic, and Facts.
Considering that the bulk of the deficit we carry now is from the two wars Bush got us into, plus the cleanup from the economic crash that occurred on Bush’s watch, I think it’s specious at best to blame Obama for the soaring debt.
Plus, with much of the TARP money coming back – some with interest, it’s also specious to estimate Obama’s effect on the economy until his term is over. The US taxpayers actually MADE $12 Billion on the Citigroup bailout, and it looks like they will make money on GM as well. It’s entirely possible that TARP will be a washout or may even reduce the deficit by several billion.
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131859841
I hate to argue, but the 2010 deficit is lower than the previous year, which would be the last year Bush was responsible for. Much of the argument comes down to when one president leaves responsibility and the other pick it up…
Trollpost is Fail…
We all know better than this.
Unfortunately, a lot of people don’t know better, or actively refuse to know better.
Ya the author is the dumbshit.
Not the fucking fags crying semen tears because they can’t even read this is from 2008.
Facts are facts and the current president is a resounding failure. If he couldn’t take the job on and was going to just blame the last guy why the fuck did he run?
Obama’s legacy is bullshit and excuses and a small overly vocal minority who refuse to see they’re wrong.
Thanks for pointing out that this is from 2008.
I actually noticed that but you gave me a reason to talk about it.
Funny how the right was blaming Obama for the deficit before he was office, isn’t it?
Facts are facts yes, but you can’t seem to separate a fact from your opinion, or the garbage you make up.
Here’s some facts for you:
We’re still in two wars that Bush failed to end.
We’re still running a massive deficit for the tax cuts he made IN THE MIDDLE OF TWO WARS.
Obama created more jobs in a month than Bush did in his entire run as president.
Unfortunately we haven’t created enough jobs to cover all the jobs lost under Bush.
So yeah, Obama has only fixed some of the problems Bush spent 8 years creating. In your book I guess that makes him a failure.
Now go back and hide under your rock, Navi.
However, it is funny to see you talk about facts, considering you don’t have a clue what a fact is.
It’s like that thing where you put your fingers in your ears and go LALALALALALALALA, right?
That’s pretty much what Navi does.
I agree that Obama got stuck with Bush’s mess.
BUT, Bush didn’t allow the TSA to run wild, Obama did.
Guantanamo Bay is still open.
Shifting soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan sure doesn’t seem like ending a war.
I had HOPE!
Obama promised to dial down Iraq and focus on Afghanistan during his campaign, and followed through on that promise.
But I think you really being sarcastic.
Why where you hoping for something else?
As a matter of fact, YES!
Why were you hoping he would do the opposite of what he said he would?
Your disappointment makes no sense.
Neither do you.
In what specific way?
This should be fun.
On his campaign website, Obama promised he would “remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.”and “bring combat troops ‘HOME’ by May 20, 2010”
Redeploying them to Afghanistan seems just a bit disingenuous.
sambo78: “This should be fun.”
Your attempt at a polar argument is futile.
I am not here to entertain you kid.
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Oh you wish it was the end.
You don’t know the meaning of the word disingenuous.
You’re the one being disingenuous. You’re being selective with the facts to make your case.
Obama promised to bring combat troops home from Iraq. He did, as of August. He never promised to have troops home from Afghanistan.
It’s a few months late on the deadline, but so what. At least he didn’t fly onto an aircraft carrier and announce the war was over when it was just getting started, or send troops into combat without body armor like Rumsfeld did.
But the fact of the matter is he got it done. Three months overdue is nothing considering the logistical issues involved.
Obama said he would increase the number of troops in Afghanistan. He did. It’s not disingenuous for him to do what he promised.
Your attempt to re-write history is futile, kid.
Obama promised to dial down Iraq and focus on Afghanistan during his campaign, and followed through on that promise.
But I think you’re really being sarcastic.
Why where you hoping for something else?
Oops, double post.
well, when you know the next guy is charge is black, its a smart move to sow seeds of crap and let them grow when he gets into office
much as bush is a retard, setting obama up to take the fall was the smartest thing he ever did
Bush wasn’t retarded at all. He was quite intelligent.
People underestimated him because of that good ol’ country boy routine he pulled.
He could have been a better president too. Unfortunately, his priorities were in the wrong place. He made too many decisions for political reasons.
For instance his opposition to the gay rights movement. I actually believe that was a purely political move to get votes. Bush struck me as the type of guy who really didn’t give a shit over things like that. And as we know from her autobiography, Laura Bush supports gay rights.
He was sort of like Reagan in that regard. Ronald Reagan was friends with Rock Hudson, who was openly gay. Apparently he had several other gay friends from his Hollywood days.
Unfortunately, during that time the GOP really starting to court the religious right for votes. So to please them, Reagan opposed gay rights.
Anyone gonna point out that this is a terrible shoop?