Outdated, ad hominems used to be considered a fallacy but some of the latest books on this topic such as the one from Cambridge have questioned it and explained that an ad hominem can very well be a good argument if it’s relevant. Also an ad hominem can be used while one addresses the substance of the argument. I think I’m arguing against an argument pyramid, I can’t help myself someone slap me.
I doubt that. Referring to WHO the person is might be useful in determining the veracity of the claim, but doesn’t change what is being said. It doesn’t matter if Hitler, a creationist, or casemod is saying it; truth is independent of who is saying it.
I didn’t say that an ad hominem changes what is being said or that truth is dependent of the person uttering it. You’d have no reason to doubt what I said if you had addressed what I actually said.
“Theorists are careful to distinguish between simple attacks on character – X is a known drunk so X is a bad person – and the questioning of a person’s argument or advocacy of a proposition because of some characteristic or circumstance of the person. Brinton draws attention to three elements that might be confused: the person, the person’s advocacy of a proposition or claim, and the proposition or claim itself. A nonfallacious case of ad hominem argument would then be one that tried to influence an audience’s attitudes to the person’s advocacy of the proposition or claim by introducing relevant information about the person.”
From the Cambridge edition of Fallacies and Argument Appraisal. It’s just a more lengthy version of what I initially said.
If a psychopath claims that dropping a ball will cause gravity to pull it toward the ground we can agree that him being a psychopath is not relevant.
If however a city planner, to use another example from the aforementioned book, were to advocate building a new road along route A rather than route B, we can very well question his motives if he himself happens to live along route B. The planner may present a very good case for why the road should follow route A, so an evaluator would have to consider carefully the degree to which the circumstantial factor should play a role in the reasoning.
Your a fuking retarded jew who only wants to become a lawyer so she robbe everyone for thier mother fucking money, jew stupid greedy jew stupid lies jew.Are we still have sex? you promised we would.
Ad hominem can be a valuable argument technique used in attacking the subject’s credibility especially in cases where a careful observation of some personal fact can thwart their entire credibility such as in cases where the subject is a jew, nigro, or other undesirable such as a mexicunt.
Any argument made by one of those animals is invalidated by their lack of humanity.
Ergo is negro without the N.
Visa fries then stipulates clearly that smarty had a party and nobody came.
I have now proven with out any medically advantageous apparatus in play such as my impressive dick that calling someone a faggot is the best way to invalidate their so called argument.
Mt. Vesuvius destroyed Herculaneum after all but everybody only remembers Pompeii.
the coon brings up a good point. “No U” is the ultimate debate/argument tool. it has the utmost versatility and is irrefutable. so much power in three letters.
I think the main reason people do not like them is discussed in the statement: without addressing the substance of the argument.
It very well may be that in a debate you are a part of, the characteristics and authority of the opposing individual may be relevant to the substance of the argument. If they are not, then they only serve the purpose of potentially making someone not like the person, but they do not prove anything in the debate.
Also, I have no idea what I am talking about, I am just going on what I see in the picture.
Outdated, ad hominems used to be considered a fallacy but some of the latest books on this topic such as the one from Cambridge have questioned it and explained that an ad hominem can very well be a good argument if it’s relevant. Also an ad hominem can be used while one addresses the substance of the argument. I think I’m arguing against an argument pyramid, I can’t help myself someone slap me.
I doubt that. Referring to WHO the person is might be useful in determining the veracity of the claim, but doesn’t change what is being said. It doesn’t matter if Hitler, a creationist, or casemod is saying it; truth is independent of who is saying it.
I didn’t say that an ad hominem changes what is being said or that truth is dependent of the person uttering it. You’d have no reason to doubt what I said if you had addressed what I actually said.
“Theorists are careful to distinguish between simple attacks on character – X is a known drunk so X is a bad person – and the questioning of a person’s argument or advocacy of a proposition because of some characteristic or circumstance of the person. Brinton draws attention to three elements that might be confused: the person, the person’s advocacy of a proposition or claim, and the proposition or claim itself. A nonfallacious case of ad hominem argument would then be one that tried to influence an audience’s attitudes to the person’s advocacy of the proposition or claim by introducing relevant information about the person.”
From the Cambridge edition of Fallacies and Argument Appraisal. It’s just a more lengthy version of what I initially said.
If a psychopath claims that dropping a ball will cause gravity to pull it toward the ground we can agree that him being a psychopath is not relevant.
If however a city planner, to use another example from the aforementioned book, were to advocate building a new road along route A rather than route B, we can very well question his motives if he himself happens to live along route B. The planner may present a very good case for why the road should follow route A, so an evaluator would have to consider carefully the degree to which the circumstantial factor should play a role in the reasoning.
Your a fuking retarded jew who only wants to become a lawyer so she robbe everyone for thier mother fucking money, jew stupid greedy jew stupid lies jew.Are we still have sex? you promised we would.
you are an ass hat
NO YOU!!!!!
He’s right.
Ad hominem can be a valuable argument technique used in attacking the subject’s credibility especially in cases where a careful observation of some personal fact can thwart their entire credibility such as in cases where the subject is a jew, nigro, or other undesirable such as a mexicunt.
Any argument made by one of those animals is invalidated by their lack of humanity.
Ergo is negro without the N.
Visa fries then stipulates clearly that smarty had a party and nobody came.
I have now proven with out any medically advantageous apparatus in play such as my impressive dick that calling someone a faggot is the best way to invalidate their so called argument.
Mt. Vesuvius destroyed Herculaneum after all but everybody only remembers Pompeii.
No RSI
No
EYE have no idea what I’m talking about.
I really have no idea what you are talking about.
I’m not going to lie to you buddy.
That one got away from me.
the coon brings up a good point. “No U” is the ultimate debate/argument tool. it has the utmost versatility and is irrefutable. so much power in three letters.
I think the main reason people do not like them is discussed in the statement: without addressing the substance of the argument.
It very well may be that in a debate you are a part of, the characteristics and authority of the opposing individual may be relevant to the substance of the argument. If they are not, then they only serve the purpose of potentially making someone not like the person, but they do not prove anything in the debate.
Also, I have no idea what I am talking about, I am just going on what I see in the picture.
You always say that. I’m starting to think it’s not true.
The whole thing?
Kidding. I know I am smart, but I am uneducated. CYA.
I now see your point; when it comes to advocacy, ad hominums can be used non-fallaciously.
They just think they are so smart cause they got Harvard and MIT. Bunch of asshats!
AKA a day in the M[C]S visits of a King.
Correction.
An King.
The King.
So…
Have the pediatricians figured out what to call your disability yet?
an alking
anal king
wanna suck dicks together?
I do! It would be special with you
Way to make all the guys who’s dicks you’ve sucked in the past feel like they’re not special.
Considering the asshattery that has flooded in here lately I’m actually on board with Fur Burger King. At least you’ve got a sense of humour.
there should be another level on the bottom labelled “trolling”
^ doesn’t realize people have been fucking with people way before people started calling everything “trolling”
^doesn’t realize that trolling is trolling, whether it is properly labelled or not
^Doesn’t realize that a fishing term used as a slogan for fucking with people online is only used by kids now a days.
^ doesn’t realize nowadays is actually a word.
^ whenadays did that happen?
^ I don’t think it was yesterday. It was before yesterday. Possibly 500 years or so before yesterday.
Some time during the middle ages.
dogs are cool.
You’re not a dog, how can you comment on their coolness? For all you know what we consider cool is very uncool for a dog.
Also, you’re a nazi.
I believe it originated here:
blog.createdebate.com/2008/04/07/writing-strong-arguments/