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I really wish this sort of petulant, anti-christian vitriol was not completely justified as a retaliation against all the heavy-handed “Don’t lie to me and say it wasn’t God who created these here United States!”, revisionist-history touting, fundamentalist fucktards we’ve been forced to listen to for the past twenty years.
You do realize that Epicurus lived in ancient Greece, and said this before Jesus was even alive, right?
You do realize that there was never a real person named Jesus who lived roughly 2,000 years ago and did all the stuff that’s written in the New Testament, right?
Have you ever heard about the Council of Nicaea? The gathering that took place more than three hundred years after “Jesus” “lived” where they chose what books were going to be in The New Testament, and what books were not?
And you do realize that Epicurus almost definitely did not say this? The earliest version of the quote comes from Sextus Empiricus (160-210 AD).
And you do realize that even if those are true, not preventing evil isn’t malice.
Depends. Do you and I have malice because we’re looking at pictures on the internet instead of stopping genocide in Darfur? No (I hope), because we’re limited individuals and it would take a supreme amount of effort with little chance of success for one person to stop a genocide. But for an omnipotent being, it should be a snap of the finger. It really is a dick move to let something like that go on.
And regarding the inevitable, stupid “free will” argument: There is still evil and suffering from natural causes. Why would a benevolent god let something like tsunamis happen? Enough a demigod with knowledge of tomorrow’s NYT headline could warn people to get to high ground.
In the great words of Diamond Head/ Metallica = Am I Evil? I am man. Yes, I am
Every creature on the planet is filled with good & evil. Either one is a choice and apart of ones character.
The argument is not ‘free will’, but what is good and what is evil? What would be life without death, war, lies, money? Maybe, if there was no evil in life, neither would there be good.
To presume that God does not do the right thing is to presume to have greater knowledge and foresight than God, the alleged omniscient.
Presuming their is a god… I believe in reincarnation/ karma more than I do a single omniscient god.
*GRAMMAR POLICE* ‘there’
Is it so recent? I was an unquestioning atheist from birth (give or take a few years), and never ran into any of the evangelical trying to convince me of anything. In the last 10-15 years it seems to be everywhere. Was I just not paying attention or has it gotten worse? I thought it was because I had moved from NYC (and an academic life) to West Virginia, where there isn’t a college on every block, but rather a church of some kind. I didn’t even know there was such variety in the christian world.
In terms of US culture as a whole, yes it is very recent. There has almost always been a battle between the christians who think that our country is founded on christian principals and completely ignore that one part of the first amendment, and the people who are not christians and know that the first amendment is there to protect them from the aforementioned revisionist-history christians.
People cite that “In God We Trust” is on our currency, yet, per the US Treasury that phrase was originally printed on silver certificates in 1957, before then it was in 1864, during the Civil War, that the first references to God were put on the One- and Two-Cent coins.
People cite “One Nation, Under God” is in the Pledge of Allegiance. That wasn’t put in until 1954, as Dr. John W. Baer wrote in a short history of the pledge of allegiance.
People cite “Family Values” touted in 1950’s era sitcoms. This was because to be anything other than supporting those “family values” was communist, and you would be reported, interrogated, and forced to falsely implicate your friends and anyone your interrogators wanted to as being a communist before they would let you go.
The Red Scare and the McCarthy Witch-hunt trials in the 1950’s are the sole source of the American=Christian idea, there is absolutely no evidence otherwise to support this crazy idea.
Yet, when Ronald Reagan was elected he was able to convince a good majority of Americans that his idiot ideas were they way to get back to a “more wholesome” way of life, like back in the 1950’s, as described by Leave It To Beaver and other such entertainment properties. This was in backlash to the previous twenty years’ social upheaval characterized by the Hippy movement, with their love of drugs and the rallying point of being against the Vietnam Conflict.
So it has at least been since 1984 that the fundamentalist movement has been gaining traction in the US government. In 2000, when GWB stole the presidency, the fundies had the full-support of an unabashed baptist to go and try to “take back” America from the heathens. So only within the last ten years has it gotten really bad.
Relax.
You’re all nerds.
The standard response to a statement like this would be that God does not impede our free will. We’re here as a test. Our actions determine how we fare in that test, as do our reactions to the actions of others.
This makes a degree of sense, IMO. The logic in the picture isn’t the logic I’d question Christianity with. Of course, it should be noted that I am not a Christian…
Yes, you have the freedom to do what I say, even when I don’t follow my own rules, and make sure you worship me, or I consign you to incredible tortures for eternity.
Where does evil come from is a problem for every religion with interventionist gods.
God made the universe. God made the world. God made granite.
In making granite, he made a commonplace substance that is pretty, that looks handsome when used about the home, and that breaks down into radon.
Radon gas is the second leading cause of lung cancer, coming after smoking.
God’s a fucking cunt.
ahahahahaha
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Good call…lol
Like theoretical life around distant stars,he may exist,but you`ll never prove it.
“If I had to sit in heaven forever, knowing that there are these people, millions of millions, probably billions of people, suffering these eternal horrible torments, and there was nothing I could ever do for them, that to me would be hell” – Richard Carrier, interview from “The God Who Wasn’t There”
It’s concepts like this that make me think most christians are heartless.
Dante put Epicurus in Hell for being wrong. Well that and being a pagan, though he gave a break to Virgil and others by putting them outside Hell proper, you know, w/ the unbaptized babies. Heartless? Just a little.
But Dante also put popes and even his favourite author in Hell, the book was a parody and social commentary.
Just like the bible.
Nonetheless, he clearly meant it. The popes he put in Hell were traitors to Catholicism.
Most people who use suffering as a means to debunk God are grasping for straws. The only time you believe in biblical morality is when you expect God to stand by it? Using suffering to anull God is just as weak as using good times to prove him.
It’s a wack arguement. I’m sorry I ran over your cat, Fluffy, because you left your door open, i’m sorry you now have a 3rd arm because of waste from a greedy developer, and i’m sorry that building collapsed, and killed your Uncle Jimbo, because the constructors cut massive corners.
Bud God did not cause any of it. I feel like putting my nipple in a vice grip everytime some dumb atheist/pastor makes this claim. The sooner you grasp this, you sooner you can start worrying about why the toleration.
“In making granite, he made a commonplace substance that is pretty, that looks handsome when used about the home, and that breaks down into radon.
Radon gas is the second leading cause of lung cancer, coming after smoking.
God’s a fucking cunt”
So God makes a material attractive, and humans use it in an area where they spend most of their lives, it breaks down, and God is to blame for their cancer?
STFU does not properly contain my anger at your baseless smugness, you half-witted, dungeon twat.
You need to swallow your keyboard to ensure you never express anything to the internet again.
Heartless?
You need to do something about all that sand in your vagina.
Pearls before swine.
RAARRR EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES DIFFERENTLY THAN ME IS A RETARDED MORON WHO IS NOT ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION AND MUST BELIEVE EXACTLY THE WAY I DO OR THEY’RE RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!ONETHOUSANDONEHUNDREDELEVEN!!
IMAGINE NO TACOS!
imagiNe
tacOs
“Is Tacos crunchy but not tasty?
Then he is a soy taco.
Is he tasty, but not crunchy?
Then he is a burrito.
Is he both tasty and crunchy?
Then why are you complaining about Tacos?
Is he neither tasty nor crunchy?
Then you went to Taco Bell.”
these questions are more important to me.