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Oh good god. Now this is something that pisses me off more than anything obama has done. Please don’t tell me you buy into this tripe tiki.
This is auto-fail.
inb4 shitstorm.
@...thelotuseater725: It’s tagged as “humor” so I’m pretty sure Tiki finds it ridiculous.
I usually tend to go against governments (any and all) in a given discussion, but I’ll make an exception. It wasn’t an inside job, it wasn’t a conspiracy; it was a bunch of messed-up, delusional, brainless fanatical fucktards who were told killing innocents is their ticket to heaven. Plenty of them to go around.
Also, there are no aliens, no secret groups controlling the world, and the world in general is falling apart partly because we as a race are gullible idiots who believe bullshit, including (but not limited to) conspiracy theories and archaic views of spirituality and faith.
Urban Myths:
1.The earth is flat
2.The moon landing was faked
3.Bigfoot exists
4.Aliens have been stored in Area 51 for decades
5.Elvis is Alive
6.9/11 was an inside job
inside job is true. ktnxbai
Inside job?
Isn’t that offensive to the martyrs who died in the 9/11 attack?
@... ebayer: nice list but you forgot #7. Intelligent American voters.
@...Silverwolf: Well i slightly disagree, there are secret groups trying to take over the world, but most governments ( at least the US government) has a bunch of organizations and systems in place to keep those people from taking over. Is the bilderberg group real? Yeah they are. Are they actually doing all the stuff Alex Jones and other nuts say they are doing? Maybe, the people involved do wield a mighty power on our planet, but i am willing to give them the benefit of a doubt. If you think that people aren’t capable of infiltrating our lives via government or culture then you are just flat out naive. The thing about conspiracy theories is not so much that they are true but that they are doable. That is what makes groups like Bilderberg dangerous and that is what makes our government dangerous. The mere fact that there ARE people who are power hungry enough that they would organize a vast conspiracy for the sake of just doing so. But again, whether or not that is actually happening is a whole different story I believe in a few conspiracies myself ( Just the cover up of alien life and that there is a secret War Profiteering group) but i don’t assume those are the sole reason things are getting fucked up. Like you said we are a gullible and stupid race and most of our problems are most likely a product of ALL people as opposed to one person or group.
ok, i’ll bite
fuck you all
you are all sheep
you are all faÂggots
20 greasy arabs operating out of a cave in a 3rd world country 1/2 ways around the planet led by someone who was trained by the CIA is after your freedoms.
so start being a bunch of spineless faÂgÂgots who give up all their freedoms so they will be protected from a boogeyman and live their lives eating out of the hand of the government.
here, the BBC reported ON SEPTEMBER 23, 2001 how many of the 911 “hIjackers” are fucking ALIVE
planes hit the towers, but they were not hijacked, nor were they piloted by first time uneducated pilots
the towers were brought down by controlled demolition, and you are a total faÂgÂgot if you believe that those buildings were not demolished
I REPEAT
YOU ARE ALL FAÂGÂGOTS
EVERYONE OF YOU
YOU ARE ALL FAÂGGÂOTS
forgot my link.
but you’re still a faÂgÂgot
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
here are the real terrorists, and you can hear it from their own mouths:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYI7JXGqd0o
watch this 9 second video and tell me it wasn’t explosives that brought Tower 7 down
here is a 2 second close up of the tower as the explosives went off
FAÂGÂGOT
I have one challenge for all of you that say its not an inside job.
Prove it.
I can provide scores of information and logical information. I can provide motive, ability, evidence of the event being perpitrated, and then 8 years of a government behaving as if its taking full advantage of the event that they committed with an intention.
What do you have?
A delusional need to not face the fact that your government possibly could have and probably did do it.
Did you know that in the 2 months leading up to 911, the bomb sniffing dogs that had been in employ by the towers since the first failed attack on the WTC were taken off duty in 2 week increments moving from the bottom of the building to the top. A week after the dogs in the top levels were given their “vacations”, the attack happened.
Have you ever seen a building that massive go down with such laser precision as those buildings did? There are companies that spend years planning implosions on major structures and still cause more unintended damage to neighboring structures than occurred with the twin towers.
Notable figures in Bush’s administration, namely Dick Chenney, were already well known figures in washington before bush. Before bush they were called “The Neo-cons”. Rummsfeld, Chenney, and other members of the Neo-con movement had submitted multiple “defense” strategies to washington before bushes term. Most of these defense strategies featured a picture of the twin towers with an airplane flying toward them. During this same era, they were quoted multiple times saying things to the effect that sometimes a nation has to create a disaster to fortify the power of the government.
When the twin towers went down, I had nothing but hate in my heart for the terrorists that did it. Within hours I had a name to attach it to, Osama Bin Ladin. I spent YEARS hating that man. Then I realized I had spent years with hate in my heart because the talking heads said I should, and I researched it.
This is not a black and white topic, do your research, dont buy what they are selling you. Find your own facts to support your own beliefs independent of me and independent of fox. When I did it, I had a very sobering realization. Perhaps those terrorists that I had so much hate for were closer than the people we were killing overseas.
The tenants of Tower7 which fell less than 7 hours after Tower 1 and 2:
U.S. Secret Service (Floors 9-10)
Security and Exchange Commission (Floors 11-13)(The SEC held 1000’s of files on ENRON and WORLDCOM when WTC7 fell.)
Mayor Gulianni’s Office of Emergency Management (Floor 23)
IRS (floors 24-25)
Department of Defense (Floor 25)
CIA (Floor 25)
i guess 7 hours is plenty of time for uneducated, greasy arabs to set up the demolition in such a low security building
I misspoke possibly with the 2 months for the bombsniffing dogs. I am not sure the term was 2 months. To make ammends, I provide a quickly found link that you may use to find more concrete facts about bomb sniffing dogs in the WTC:
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2004/062804ignoredclue.htm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A
@...camusapprentice:
I give you the same challenge. Prove, without the shadow of a doubt, that it was not 20 extremists who decided that America just sucks so much that they decided to joyride a few planes into buildings.
“Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.”
(source)http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
first paragraph on page 51
A YEAR BEFORE 9/11, SIGNED BY THESE FAÂGÂGOTS:
Elliott Abrams (Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Democracy, Human Rights, and International Operations (2001–2002), Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Near East and North African Affairs (2002–2005), Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Global Democracy Strategy (2005-2009) (all within the National Security Council)
Richard Armitage Deputy Secretary of State (2001-2005)
John R. Bolton Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs (2001-2005), U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (2005-2006)
Dick Cheney Vice President (2001-2009)
Eliot A. Cohen Member of the Defense Policy Advisory Board (2007-2009)[60]
Seth Cropsey Director of the International Broadcasting Bureau (12/2002-12/2004)
Paula Dobriansky Under-Secretary of State for Global Affairs (2001-2007)
Francis Fukuyama Member of the The President’s Council on Bioethics (2001-2005)
Zalmay Khalilzad U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan (11/2003 – 6/2005), U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (6/2005 – 3/2007) U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (2007-2009)
I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby Chief of Staff to the Vice President of the United States (2001-2005) under Dick Cheney
Richard Perle Chairman of the Board, Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee (2001-2003)
Peter W. Rodman Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security (2001-2007)
Donald Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense (2001-2006)
Randy Scheunemann Member of the U.S. Committee on NATO, Project on Transitional Democracies, International Republican Institute
Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary of Defense (2001-2005)
Dov S. Zakheim Department of Defense Comptroller (2001-2004)
Robert B. Zoellick Office of the United States Trade Representative (2001-2005), Deputy Secretary of State (2005-2006), 11th President of the World Bank (2007-2009)
@...Sticky: READ MY SHIT FOR YOUR PROOF, FAÂGÂGOT
Bigfoot is real. The Tundra Yeti told me his cousin was still messing around with cute forestry service girls up in Washington and Canada.
@all:
www.debunking911.com/overp.htm
Really, WTC 7 more than likely fell due to the diesel fuel fed fres inside. Rather than try and explain it all, clik through the link above. The stresses and damage to the building line exactly with the main fuel lines throughout the building. 6000 gallon diesel fuel tanks were found empty during the blast pointing towards a large quantity of accelerant being added to the fire. The building dismantled from the inside, leaving the shell nothing to stand on and fall down.
There are more Sercret groups that have less than %1 say in anything than you can shake a stick at.
Humanity is what it is…
9/11, well, watch the tower collapses again…
You don’t need a degree in demo’s to see what that was.
Go pray !
@...camusapprentice: @...SumoSnipe:
Lies and Urban Myths believed by weak minds and the easily led.
oops,I meant @...natedog:
Not a reply to SumoSnipe
Now, listen people. I know who did it. I know you won’t believe this. But there’s these guys, who call themselves “Project Mayhem”. They are organized in cells, called “Fight Clubs” and are led by this guy who calls himself “Tyler Durden” who grew up in an insane asylum. I’ve seen a movie about those people and they’re for real, guys. I KNOW IT!
I know it wasn’t an inside job.
Because it was me.
I’m sorry, I was messing around with my new fairydust laser, set it to target phallic objects, and next thing I knew, people were seeing Satan’s face in the giant plumes of smoke I had made.
So I figured, I’ll just shoot down these planes here, cover myself.
It was pretty lucky for me that there were, in fact, terrorists trying to take over the planes, it really lent credence to my cover story.
Sorry guys, my bad.
@...ebayer: the same as saying everything is a conspiracy but could possibly be true. this is just shoving info in each other. like telling a atheist god is real…sad
Penn & Teller nips this bullshit,paranoid 9/11 conspiracy fantasy in the bud:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I
@...njch412: yes, but then how did the diesle
@...Sticky: That is not the same challenge. I asked for logical counterarguments that have more matter than “I couldnt have voted for a man that would do that”. Nothing can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Luke you rock man..
And btw, a Conspiracy isn’t another word for false….ugh.
@...njch412, sorry got sidetracked. How did the diesel get on fire? Are you telling me that flames from the planes fell HUNDREDS of feet, through the roof, and into the tanks?
@...ebayer: youre pretty pathetic. Your being “easily led” isnt as bad as mine because for 8 years half the nation followed the same man blindly.
Take the blue pill and you will go back to your normal life. Nothing will be changed. The cell phone in your pocket that can record the room you are in even when its powered down is for your protection, not so that what you say can have “classified terrorist comments”. Dont worry, you could never dissapear in the middle of the night because you stand against a man of power.
Or take the blue pill. You will see horrors the likes of which you have never imagined, but you will know what the real world looks like, you will have the courage to face the truth, and you just may be able to stand with those who have faced the truth and help make sure it never happens again.
Its sad to see this thread post SO MUCH concrete evidence to support considering something, and Sticky, and ebayer, and a few others cant even muster the courage to watch a couple of them, and interpret the facts for themself. I hope for your sake that CNN isnt in it for the money and wouldnt report “misinformation” because they are on the Federal payroll (Immediately following 911, a record number of “Misinformation” reports were filed by the Bush Administration, another fact).
@...camusapprentice: 2 versions of blue pill ? 😛 take your time dood 😛
first, how dare any of you imply our government had anything to do with 9/11, i know it is not perfect but saying our government did 9/11 is like saying japan dropped the bomb on hiroshima. its like wiping before you poop, it makes no sense.
second, making jokes about it is in bad taste. thousands died and many thousands more were affected by this tradegy. do the japanese make hiroshima jokes? i doubt it.
shame on all of you who demean the memory of these tragic events, an a big fu*k off to the hollywood assholes who demean the US military. You know why Elvis was the king? because he voulenteered and served as an enlisted man when his country needed him. i garuntee than 90% of hollywood would never make the sacrifice i have and voulenteer for service. (might i add we have the only ALL VOULENTEER military in the world). sometimes i wonder why i bother defending the freedoms of all you ignorant fools… then i remember, my kids have to grow up somewhere, i only hope they are smarter than almost all of you morons…
sorry for the rant but i had to get that out in the open.
also apologize for spelling errors *kicks self*
@...camusapprentice:
Get over yourself
All of your so-called “facts” have been disproved and explained away.
But your paranoia makes you refuse to accept reality and so you substitute your own.
Quit forgetting to take that lithium tablet your psychiatrist prescribed.
@...ColombianMonkey: Aquamarine and navy, man.
@...ColombianMonkey: oh, thanks for pointing that out. I typed all that out, edited it, and then after hitting send it didnt post, so I just tried to type it all out again.
Ya, I think im done here. For every person here that wants to find information, there are 10 more too afraid to consider a president who valued power over the lives of his people. Too afraid to admit they voted for a man who killed all those people so he could put a recorder in their cell phones.
@...ebayer: Well I have not seen how these facts have been disproved, care to present the counter-arguments that disprove them? Might help me change my mind.
Lets start with proving bomb sniffing dogs werent removed, and then move into the fact that molten puddles under the WTC afterwards did not contain aluminum from the planes, but iron and sulfur that are products of explosives.
Please disprove those 2 and it may help me see what it is that reinforces your beliefs.
@...camusapprentice: Oh, and it wasnt lithium, it was lexapro, and I found that all it really did was make me less motivated and more pliable so I went off it.
@...natedog:
@...camusapprentice: So you mean to tell me that the worst attack on US soil since pearl harbor was actually one of the largest Demolition undertakings ever concieved. You are telling me that huge teams of demolitions experts, who had no problem wiring a building full of innocent New Yorkers to explode, hired in secret, worked every night for what had to be a year (and that’s only if they had a big enough crew) placing maybe 10,000 separate charges in each tower and another few thousand in WTC 7. Not only that but the 100,000 plus workers that went there NEVER noticed that People were wiring up explosives or that huge sections of wall all over the damn place are taken down and wired? You mean to tell me that every single janitor and maintenance crew member was paid off to ignore the installation of what would be over 10,000 charges PER BUILDING?hundreds of private researchers and government employees who prepared gigantic reports about the collapse of the towers from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). AND! The FDNY, JCPD, The Port Authority, NYPD,FBI,CIA and that the FDNY and NYPD and JCPD willingly killed their fellow officers and fire fighters? And the US government PAID ALL OF THESE PEOPLE OFF. Oh and the entire news media ( who was very anti-bush at the time) were paid off and that all of this was uncovered by civilians. I’ll agree with you, the government could keep this a secret but like the manhattan project THE SECOND those towers were destroyed would be as secret as NAGAFUCKINGSAKI. You also mean to tell me that My uncle a JCPD detective has been paid off to keep these things a secret? My best friends dad (who worked at the WTC) was also paid off to keep quiet about this? But wait, i’m associated with a person who was there so I am paid off also, and i am keeping the truth hidden right?
@...rebel4309: “(might i add we have the only ALL VOULENTEER military in the world)”
You might add it, but it’s a lie (pretty fucking obviously).
@...rebel4309: i respect that you believe in something and you are willing to risk your life for others, which is a good demeanor. but in “this topic” why are you giving the impression that you speak with so irrational thoughts. I can see where you are coming from. but I don’t think it’s about the respect this discussion is about, it’s about who was behind it. You have yet to see that the internet brings out a person’s alt. personality, because i assume from your words if someone said that in front of your face you’d break there face.
@...ebayer: just hang on with me hear okay. up to now i haven’t taken no side. just picture me on neutral base. the same thing you said to camusapp
don’t you see that it also applies to what you belief? I’m not saying it’s wrong or right but just that BOTH story can be fake or both stories can be real. always keep in mind all video’s & data can be edited for the right price. again this applies to both sides. the only true way to find out is to do it yourself. to have been there yourself. because hearing some assistant chief saying it can never be explosion can always be a possibility that he is being paid
@...camusapprentice:
On August 1st, on C-SPAN, Brigham Young University Professor and acclaimed Physicist, Steven Jones, announced that the BYU Physics analysis of debris from the WTC towers had traces of “thermate.”
Thermate is an explosive steel cutting charge, used only for controlled demolition.
1.Thermate is not an explosive, it is an incendiary (which for those of you not used to 5 syllable words means it burns really hot). Not only is it not “used only for controlled demolition” it is not used for controlled demolition at all.
2.Additionally Jones did not find Thermate, he found sulfur, which he is stating could have come from thermate (it also could be from burning rubber, the gypsum wallboard, acid rain or a variety of other sources).
3.The bomb sniffing dogs were not pulled from the WTC, what you are refering to is the fact that there was increased security in the weeks before 9/11, and they returned back to normal, which involved reducing the “extra” bomb sniffing dogs they were using. The dogs were still being used and one was actually killed in the collapse.
@...camusapprentice:
@...camusapprentice: IRON?! IN A BUILDING THAT USES IRON GIRDERS?! HOLY SHIT?! ALSO THERE WAS THERMITE RIGHT?! LEMEE GUESS THERE WAS PROBABLY THERMITE ALL OVER THE PLACE TOO RIGHT? IMAGINE THAT, OXIDIZED IRON AND ALUMINUM BEING FOUND IN BUILDINGS OVER 20 YEARS OLD. THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
@...ebayer: citations please, first of all.
@...thelotuseater725: this applies to what you have said too.
Good points. I get them. The point with the molten puddles, while I was offput by the administrations explainations, your explainations are better.
The comment about the bombsniffing dogs also seems flawed. I have seen documents saying dogs commissioned after the 1st attack on the WTC were relieved of duty, you say something else, but offer no citation.
However, my molten puddles argument has been withdrawn, not due to factual rebuttal, but due to logical rebuttle.
Also, all caps really doesnt do anything but make you stupid, i suggest you learn to convey outrage with your words, All caps just makes it harder to read for the rest of us.
Happy to see you all waking up and giving a shit!
@...thelotuseater725: JESUS CHRIST
THE PEOPLE MUST BE WARNED
SCRAMBLE THE JETS, WE’RE USING SOMETHING THAT CAN SOMETIMES MAYBE BE A PRODUCT OF AN EXPLOSIVE REACTION AS BUILDING MATERIAL, O THE HUMANITY
Hahahaha, good times.
@...camusapprentice: Fuck you. I’ve never cared. If you don’t want to be attacked, don’t make enemies.
Now, let me just outline a query I have here.
Let’s presume it was all planned by the gubment.
Do you dispute the fact that planes did in fact hit the buildings in question?
I’m going to assume not.
Now, let’s say, unless the gubment had the same luck as I did, they arranged for the planes to hit.
Why, then, would they rig the buildings with explosives?
Do bigass planes hitting a building not constitute enough of a threat to do what the gubment wanted to do?
I would have thought so.
So what reason did they have for rigging the buildings?
Well, they didn’t.
So why would they?
Well, they wouldn’t.
…
Hot damn, I love the word gubment.
@...LukeV1-5: HOLY FUCK I JUST FOUND OUT MY ENGINE BLOCK AND CAR FRAME IS MADE OF IRON! JESUS FUCK THEY’VE INFILTRATED THE AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY TOO!
@...camusapprentice: All caps are appropriate in discussions that are founded upon immense retardation. And i have seen documents claiming that Nazis landed on the moon, doesn’t mean documents can’t be forged or built from a false premise. Remember when we invaded iraq in 2003?
@...thelotuseater725: HOLY SHIT DUDE, I ONCE HEARD WE HAVE FUCKING IRON IN OUR BLOOD OR SOME SHIT!
WE GOTTA BLEED OURSELVES, ‘N’ GET THE TERRORIST CONSPIRACY METAL OUT OF OUR BODIES!
GET THE FUCKING LEECHES AND FUCKING HURRY!
I’ll go one step further.
Tiki is behind 9/11. Why you ask? Because he keeps fucking up and reposting and reposting and boring the shit out of us.
So he set it up, then made this image and waited for the perfect moment to put it on the site so we’d all forget about the shitty job he’s done lately.
I sir, will never forget, Tiki.
ANd on a more serious note, you idiots that think our government did this are a bunch of fuck sticks. Your an even bigger fuck stick if your an American and think this.
PS: Global Warming is a lie too. Fuck.
54th!
@...camusapprentice:
www.debunking911.com/civil.htm
@...LukeV1-5:
DUDE, THAT’S NOT ALL. THERE IS METALS N STUFF INSIDE OUR COMPUTERS TOO! THEY’RE TAKING OVER EVERYTHING! YOUR MICROWAVE IS A TERRORIST, YOUR LAMP IS A TERRORIST, YOUR WRISTWATCH AND THAT ONE PEN THAT ALWAYS RUNS OUT OF INK! THEY’RE IN ON IT TOO!
Conspiracy idiots like this just piss me off.
@...Sticky: BUT I NEED ALL THESE THINGS! FUCK, MAN! WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO! WE’LL HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF WOOD! PATRIOTIC FUCKING WOOD! IT’S THE ONLY WAY, MAN! USE WOOD, OR THE TERRORISTS WIN!
TERRORISTS LOVE IRON!
@...LukeV1-5:
YES. WOOD. PINE, OAK, MAPLE, CHERRY, ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. WE NEED SAWS…FUCK, THOSE ARE MADE OUT OF IRON!!! WHAT DO WE DO??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@...natedog: My hero.
Not because I’m %100 convinced about what you said, but because someone like you would say that.
You rule. Hard.
@...greenie: if someone isn’t registered and they submit an image it goes under Tiki’s name.
I got tired of reading the tripe after the first 20 posts.
My question is this: If it was an inside job, to what end?
The Reichstag fire *was* an inside job and it set the groundwork for what was supposed to be 1000 years of One World Under Hitler. It didn’t work out that way, but that was the plan.
If 9/11 was a huge conspiracy by Cheney and the gang, why do we now have Obama in office? Why wasn’t martial law declared right before election day?
Are you trying to tell me that they got what they wanted? Seven years of war, make their profit and retire to the Carribean? Ha!
Also, it’s common knowledge that the only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead. You’re telling me that these guys, who were willing to fuck over the American economy, kill civilians, and let slip the fucking dogs of war took such good care of the thousands of cogs that would be required to make a machine of this magnitude run that not one single disgruntled conspirator has come forward with information?
@...the_fascist_rabbit:
The first 20 posts, huh. If you had read natedog’s posts, you would know. Regarding your question, how come nobody is admitting anything.
I think it’s much more complicated than only, was is it an inside job or not. But if you believe everything, as mass media has been reporting those events, you’re bloody naive.
@...greenie: Fuck yeah! Fuckin thanks, finally someone just says it.
And yeah, you’re right, global warming is a farce
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
@...Sticky:
Just because there are stupid people who make false assumptions, and find “false” evidence – that doesn’t disprove anything.
So for some mysterious reason, a black box gets destroyed, but a passport survives? Wow, this must be some kind of magic.
If I’m a moron, then so are you.
@...dieAntagonista:
Never claimed to not be a moron. Besides, it’s a satirical site.
I like pork.
@...jediadept: LOL!
OH NO, THE TERRORISTS HAVE GOTTEN TO OUR PATRIOTIC WOOD! CONNIVING BASTARDS!
cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Patriot-10-hp-Gas-Wood-Chipper-Shredder_W0QQitemZ310137805316QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item310137805316&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1309%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
Did you know if you folded the 20 USD, you can see the towers burning?
@...thelotuseater725: 71 comments in a couple of hours explains tiki posting this.
Now, submission notification.
tiki is the best troll
This is how it happened; I meet these guys at a strip club were my old lady was working at. I was buying them a bunch of drinks they were spending mad loot on her. I don’t love her and never will she is a whore, I get drinks ½ price plus I sneak in my own bottle of MD 20/20. Well these guys had a flight the next day and there first hang over with the MD 20/20 made them crazy.
It was Lyndon B Johnson. He had the motive and opportunity and everything to gain from it. A straight up bloody coup within the American Government.
Wait… OH, ha ha, silly me, forgot when I was for a moment.
Anyway, I think blaming the whole government, is as stupid as blaming the whole of Islam for the extremists.
There are good people and evil people in every powerful institute.
Demonize your enemies and you lose your humanity. Forget your humanity and everyone becomes your enemy.
Everyone is busy arguing about controlled demolition & remote control planes. It’s crazy enough to keep us busy for at least 8 years, let’s see how much longer.
Meanwhile, we forget that the people who did this come from one of our allied nations, and were led by someone who was on our payroll. Saudi Arabia then went and put ads on US television reminding us that we are allies. We counter-attack a whole other nation, and fight another war on behalf of Israel.
Does anyone know how many people in the upper tiers of our government are citizens of Israel? Or that Israel is ranked number one in domestic espionage among US allies?
Things didn’t go down like the official story says, but that doesn’t mean that it happened the way Alex Jones says either.
No one has gotten it right so far, and you will never see the real story. But I would wager it’s a lot more mundane than holographic airplanes flown by robots, and a lot more interesting than guys with boxcutters from a cave.
@...suicydking: I agree with everything you said %100.
Now I have two clearly identified heroes in one thread. I feel superior.
Certain people bring me down with absolute statements like only they know the truth, and of course their truth is absolute. But then, you got suicydking and natedog, and I am hopeful again.
@...dieAntagonista:
So, I shouldn’t believe what the “mainstream media reports,” but I should accept as gospel a link to The BBC?
@...the_fascist_rabbit:
I didn’t tell you what to accept. There’s enough independent research and reports on the Internet, I mean undoubtedly neutral sources, that should make you at least doubt, what has been reported by mass media. The people who are so absolutely convinced that it all happened like they saw it on TV are just speculating, and the people who are so convinced that it was “an inside job” a la Alex Jones who is a complete fucking moron – are just speculating as well.
I’d say, some evidence is undeniable though.
A blackbox doesn’t survive but a passport does?
A building goes down without being hit by anything?
etc.
Sometimes I feel like someone tried to make it look like it was an inside job. Who the hell knows. But the point is, don’t believe everything you hear and see, just because rich people in suits tell you that you should. I know most people don’t care for this kind of thing, they write it off as paranoid nonsense and whatnot. But it’s better to fear a little too much and apologise if it turns out you were wrong, than start countless wars because of self righteousness and irrational pride.
tiki, i think i finally get you now. i like it! its like feeding mice to a pet snake! sadistically-fun!
@...dieAntagonista:
The problem, I think, is that it’s too easy to find “neutral” sources to support any argument (at least in an instance like this where the event in question is shrouded by so much chaos.)
What it all comes down to is what does the individual believe?
Frankly, I just think that it would be impossible for a conspiracy that would require thousands of participants to remain air-tight for eight years. This is not Churchill and some military Brass saying “The Japs are gonna hit Hawaii. Don’t say anything.”
Keeping this quiet (even without the ridiculous inclusion of a ‘controlled demolition’) would simply be too hard. Especially when you keep in mind how many watchdogs there are on both sides of the fence. Remember when Vince Foster ate a bullet in the park?
What I have yet to have sufficiently explained is: What was the goal? History has shown that when people are inclined to slaughter their own countrymen for political or profit-related motives, they are willing to follow through. I can’t believe that Cheney and Rumsfeld would have come up with this only to walk away after a few years.
It just doesn’t compute.
Wow, almost as many posts as that one pic of the band I’ve never heard of. And it’s only about the most important event of my and all of your lives. Imagine that. Just be inquisitive everyone, please. And don’t believe anything because someone said so, even if (you think) it’s God.
*sigh* I miss the best shit when I’m away.
Hate the game, not the playa.