Because the first one was such a success!
No actual physical pictures that are proof against former administrations, perhaps this post can get across the aisle.
Courtesy of Trent Reznor and those who understand his message.
Source: www.opensourceresistance.net
@...camusapprentice: as realist as this might sounds not everyone are mentally able to talk about self beliefs. Nobody has a purely mind that is nonsense lol. we are different for a reason. and I would only agree with your comment if you acknowledge that if you are trying to motivate a person who is not neutral, then such drastic measure should be taken to motivate. It’s called stepping to their level. which I do believe you already acknowledged. two neutral people can have the great conversations. as how i see it.
@...camusapprentice: I don’t deny the fact that what he did was good, what he did is cruel to humanity and he should have been stopped. but before i made my main comment, I said i look pass all that psycho murdering party. I taught it would can cleared any knots in my main message
@...ColombianMonkey: correction: what he did was bad and i don’t deny that.
@...ColombianMonkey:
Your rastaman post just knotted everything you said. LOL. Seriously, though: I cannot deny that Hitler was completely fucking psychotic. I also cannot deny that he had some genius tendencies. If he had not sent his army into Russia during winter, we would all be sprechender Deutscher im Augenblick.
@...Annarchy: his genius tendencies is what i crave for. let’s think freely for a second here. would you believe me if I were to say most psychotic people behold genius tendencies that normal people cannot grasp. that is something i believe.
I once got out of a failure to stop at a stop sign by using Rolle’s Theorem to prove that I had in fact stopped.
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I think flag burning in the US has taken on a specific meaning and its own symbolism. It’s become the symbol of the 1st Amendment.
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Apropos of nothing; I giggle every time I hear ‘teabagging’ on the news.
@...ColombianMonkey: Okay, I just fully typed out my response, and a 500 error took it away. Im going abridged:
You are saying what I was trying to but couldnt get out, here is how I represent it.
+1=conservative
0=neutral
1=liberal
(see, i even gave the conservatives the positive number)
Provided we think of it this way,
conservative + neutral (me) = +1.
I dont get my neutrality, but the conservative still gets their way.
Because of this I must behave as a liberal, then:
Conservative + Person behaving as a liberal (me)= 0
This way, I get the neutrality I initially wanted.
Now to apply this concept to actual america, make the curve 1,000,000,000 to -1,000,000,000. Id say 6 months ago america was at 500,000,000 (very conservative), today id say America is closer to 1,000,000 (still scared into reactionary beliefs, but working back to neutrality).
Liberals and neutrals have not been speaking up in america, so the ones willing to speak up must augment our stances and I must behave like a radical to ultimately try and lend my two cents to make America neutral again.
Sorry, I was a statistician for a year and a half and thats how I describe red vs blue in America.
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I believe Hitler was a genious. I believe his vision was a hard pill to swallow, but was a very logical answer to, mainly, the issue of overpopulation. However that is the very thing that makes him dangerous to use in building your personal ideology. It might be logical, but it doesnt mean is right, and it doesnt mean it’s something you want to foster, especially in yourself. I think he is a fascinating subject, but is simultaneously a subject that should be let go into the sands of time to better mankind.
He is one of the rare cases that I dont say know your history or it will repeat itself. I think knowing his past presents a greater danger of someone retracing his footsteps. He is too powerful a model.
@...Sticky: Exactly why I trust the camera more…
@...Annarchy: The problem is, you seem to be seeing the worst corruption everywhere you look. It’s paranoia, plain and simple. I’m not saying trust the government in everything unquestioningly, but you’re going to the opposite extreme. Both extremes are bad. Assuming the worst all the time is no better than assuming the best all the time.
@...camusapprentice: No, the camera can NOT misinterpret what it saw. The person looking at the pictures can. The pictures display -exactly- what happened in front of the camera.
@...nyokki: On the back of saying I was a statistician for a year and a half. I never finished my degree, so I feel dirty calling myself one, but that withstanding, I just wiki-ed Rolle’s Theorem and understood it just enough to say… you are a freaking GENIOUS! I will never repeat what I just went through again.
@...Tyger42: The citations are issued by the program, and then signed by the server administrator. Keep fighting without fact, its really pulling you aces so far.
Oh ya, you forgot to call me a conspiracy nut that time.
@...Tyger42: And just because I see you opening your mouth without thinking again. How did the camera know to strobe me if what I just said werent fact? you really think for the over thousand cameras in my state, there is a person for each 24-7 staring blankly at a screen in some magical room who has magical reflexes and can catch 50,000 people in one day?
Seriously dude, you are embarrassing yourself.
I’m always too late to these parties. But I’ll still chip in my coppers…
Don’t fear the cameras. Adapt. It’s not hard to use a little discretion and covertyness when you are up to no good. The blind-spots still vastly outnumber the spot-lights. Put a little thought and research into any meeting spots. Learn the simple skill of surreptitiousness if your actions have any reason to be hid. Those cameras are by no means hi-def, and in fact, the resolution on them is often shite, and despite what TV cop-culture wants you to believe, there is no way to “enhance the resolution” with a nifty couple mouse clicks.
Otherwise, who cares? Dance for the cameras. Carry balloons on long strings. Paintball guns are useful. Put your hood up and your shades on, young jedi.
In my world, in the game of my life, I get bonus points if my nefarious deeds get caught on a camera. Hasn’t stopped my spray can yet. Breathing police officers however, will stop me. I don’t mind cameras in place of pigs, and it is not hard to hide ones identity from a grainy camera.
But traffic cameras I can see being an issue for others. I don’t really care because I usually walk, bike or use transit to travel. So, whateves.
@...camusapprentice:
Aaah it’s wonderful isn’t it. I wish it was a book. It was written by Paddy Chayefsky, but it’s actually a very strange movie from 1976. I’m surprised you don’t know it. It’s called Network, here: www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/
If you really haven’t seen it, you HAVE to watch it. You’re going to love it. Very iconic and timeless. I also like how all the things the main character talks about, are so damn identical with the problems we face today. It’s ridiculously good.
@...camusapprentice:
Hey, it’s cool. I consider it a compliment, that you thought I’m American. And you’re actually one year older than me! But like I said, don’t worry. I didn’t mention anything from which you would have known that I’m in Austria.
And wow. That guy, Arpio. I mean fuck. What kind of monster is that.
Also, yes I do see what you mean now. About the cameras. This may be a stupid example, but there was this one episode on Malcolm in the Middle. His mother was taped on video as she drove from a parking spot onto the street and it looked like a car crashed almost into her because of that. Like it was her fault. Later on they saw another video from a different angle, and they saw that the other car was the one that cut her off. This is badly explained, but you get what I mean.
So yeah, obviously I don’t know what the situation is, exactly, in America. It sounds horrible.
Officers here are far worse though. In my country, two policemen can beat up any black man and get away with it. As long as they’re two policemen, and no witness is there or willing to speak out for the black man.
But that’s a different issue. I’m just sick of the system in general. Your point stands.
@...Annarchy:
Haha, no way. I think your father would like mine. Or I guess they wouldn’t get along at all, either way it’s cute to imagine.
I see you have been to all the tiny places in Europe. I’m impressed. I think it’s wonderful what you have done. I always visit poor Romanian villages every year, and donate everything I can live without as well as food and medical supplies. Although, since I am half Romanian I always feel like I’m just giving stuff away to my family, when I go there. No matter what village. That’s terribly cheesy. But yeah, for someone like you, who is from so far away, to be so generous – that’s admirable. If I had a hat I’d tip it.
@...dieAntagonista: Wait… youre a year younger than me? youre 20? Didnt see that comming…
I get the malcom in the middle. I think ive seen that one, im trying to catch all of them lately. They are as genious as south park.
As far as the situation in America, Id say its actually not that bad at all. Im in Arizona. The people here insist on the delusion of a “Wild Wild West”. To answer why Arpio gets elected because he demonstrates “western justice” and hes “gonna get them varments”. Its not what he actually says in his ads but thats the gist of them.
I can see where you come from with the anti officer… Its back to what I said to ColumbianMonkey, I dont have an issue with public cameras per say, but I think the arrest and citation needs to be by a human and I think footage should be sealed unless there is a felony involved.
I think that would be the perfect compromise to help keep the justice system honest but not infringe on private rights. However you cant pick and choose your government, and you can never have exactly your way. Id rather have a fight on my hands (referring to legal, not physical) than a standardized slaughter and imprisonment.
You know, the motto for most police departments once upon a time was SERVE and protect, not COMMAND and protect.
@...Annarchy: Wow. Really? I find it hard to believe that anyone would give up their life to stand up for what they belive in in this day and age. I would, but all my life I been standing alone. Everything from high school, to my naval career, I was standing by myself when I called something or somebody of some pull out on what they have done. Not a lot of people are willing to do that. I have always felt like that guy who is standing out thinking everyone is behind me, only to turn around to be the only person standing while everyone else cowers in fear.
116 (117 now at least) comments? AYFKM?
@...bytehead: I know, aint it great!
@...camusapprentice:
you are fighting the same people who controls the legal system, they know there own holes in the system and frankly you wouldn’t last once they know you are a threat to them.
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I repect your opinion but this is how i see it.
your way of thinking is logically correct…….mathimatically.
I’m just saying that if you want to get a person’s attension on a subject you have to step down to their level because close minded people or determind people will never accept critism, opinions, or perspective (neutral way). they’ll never accept what they are told about. so before you can even try to motivate your perspective, opinion or critism you have to speak their own language. It’s like you are trying to explain a dutch guy something but you cannot speak dutch, you know how frustrating that is? to speak to someone of another language you don’t understand. it’s a perfect example.It’s the basic laws of communication, for both parties to understand they have to communicate at each other both can understand. and once you get the person’s attension you can iniate your procedure, trying to motivate them to open there eyes. but IF it works that’s the problem and if their open enough to accept your critism, perspective, & opinion.
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not saying anything bad to you but this sort of thinking. is sheep thinking. you are accepting the nature of thinking in “THIS” sort of subject, that is how it seems. people have forced people to think to a limit that if you accept a bad person thinking that makes you automatically bad, which is in fact absolute not true and it’s just another way to not think without borders. If you accept to know that you yourself know that you are against what he did. You will feel no guilt that you chose to base your personal ideology on him or any person you whom believe to base on and basing off 1 person doesn’t mean you base on everything he or she has led his or her life. Please keep in consideration I had to take this route of expressing my words to see if i could make you see my perspective. I’m pretty tired for any pisswar, if you think that i ment harm to you.
if you can respectfully prove me differently please do so but how i see it is that he “should” be brought up. because if i were to make a basic generlisation on “getting power, dominant over others” the government is no different than Hitler, only difference is Hitler didn’t spread his plan in time. he had a plan, he timed for the perfect time to come out and bam he did what he wanted to do. Not like taking baby steps for your plan to evolve so the government can stay in shadows while every year pass the government hand comes closer to our balls and jawlocking it like a pitbull. and then we are too late to do anything.
@...everyone: please be discretional when reading this. this is just my perspective.
@...ColombianMonkey: Okay, so I can address all 3 of your points:
1) Yes, I do know how to try to speak to someone who doesnt speak your language. I know exactly what you are saying. However in red vs blue, I just dont think they can be compared so well. Dems speak in ideas and “dreams”, reds talk in sanctimony and ritual, I and most neutrals speak in logic and fact. That is what I see on the tv. That is what I saw when I worked for my state.
While I get what youre saying, I dont prescribe to your outlook. I think its different. If you look at how I debate my points, I take liberal stances, but I use logic. While a red will always be looking for me to say “terra” to make fun of an idiom before they listen to my idea, I think presenting how the world works with logic can help turn a red back into a conservative, and a conservative back into a American who knows how to compromise.
2) I take slight exception to being called sort of sheepish, but perhaps its because I once more dont articulate well enough. I have studied the man up and down. If I lived in a world of mature people, as I attempt to be, I wouldnt be worried. However, if im EVER talking to anyone else, I generally do not trust them.
An RPG in the right hands can be used to actually save a life, right? but an RPG in the hands of the overwhelming majority ends in tragedy. Will you use the RPG to blast the door off the burning bunker and lead everyone to safety? or will you use the RPG to explode a dam and drown an entire city.
I wouldnt shoot the damn thing, but I dont trust anyone to do the same.
3) I am putting my foot in my mouth. I said that, and then Annarchy read it, we entered in a very long conversation/debate about it and in the end, I am wrong. No period of history should be forgotten. It is the duty of the new generations to rise above any dangers presented by knowing their history.
I was wrong when I said anything that wasnt to that effect.
@...camusapprentice:
1) You’re right on that.
2) It’s very confusing for me to find the correct words to explain how i would have expressed them, I think I should’ve just been more general.
@...ColombianMonkey: I think I get (2) what youre saying, mostly because I personally agree with it.
However since it is such a volatile subject, its hard to express it concisely.
thanks for understanding *hands you a banana*
@...Tyger42: I don’t see corruption everywhere. I keep in mind that it’s a possibility, that’s all. Considering all that has gone on in the world recently (China uses Google Search to decide who goes to prison), you call it paranoia, I call it being prudent. I don’t have much to worry about as I am a law abiding girl. So far. What happens when the law changes? There are no notifications, you just start getting tickets in the mail. I’m hoping that the current trend in American politics will hold and that we get less secretive government, but the last 8 years taught me to distrust the people who say “Be quiet. Everything’s fine.”
@...dieAntagonista: LOL! You never can tell with Eastern European men, huh? I was living in Belgrade at the time, so it was literally a few hour’s drive north to Romania, and so very worth it. I wish I could say I am as generous with my time or money. I left YU right before the civil war and haven’t been back. Oh, and, you’re 20? Do you realize that you couldn’t legally drink in most states in the US? Wow. I shouldn’t be surprised, but you are really mature!
@...sylvanish: I get what youre saying, I just want to ask one question. You may be content to evade the cameras, but does it not still leave you feeling like you are a criminal?
Id be capable of dodging the cameras, but I have an inherent issue feeling like a criminal that needs to when I am not a criminal.
… criminal criminal. haha
@...Drunkin: There are people willing to voice their opinions, stand up for what they believe in. The past few years have been mostly humming in the dark, hiding in plain sight on the internet, etc., I agree. But there are those that would stand behind you. Although, maybe I should say that depends on what you’re willing to fight for. You live in Louisiana, which I am guessing adds to your feeling of being alone. Not a lot of open-mindedness in the South, still.
@...sylvanish: Also on your idea that you cannot enhance resolution with a few nifty mouse clicks, you are right, and then you are wrong.
This is true. If you have a low res pic, then you cant do that. However there are satellites that have enough resolution and zoom to focus in and see your face from orbit.
Old cheap security cameras of yesterday pose very low fear, however an upgrade is all that is needed to negate that outlook. They didnt spend a couple hundred thousand on a couple thousand cameras. They spent MILLIONS on a couple thousand cameras. These arnt the old run of the mill 20 frames per minute half megapixel cameras. They are the ritzy see a flea in a speeders hair cameras.
Oh ya, the real outrage came when we found out they were saying a picture was taken when the computer saw speeding, then the news broke that every camera took constant live video.
Just another nifty fact on the AZ situation.
@...dieAntagonista: Lasa, innebunim amandoi… oricum, nu parerile noastre politice ne definesc. Eu is un pic beat, deci nu o sa mai zic nimic momentan.
to add to the whole cameras issue.
just something i found. www.imdb.com/title/tt0810951/
check it out.
@...ColombianMonkey: Good, I hope this raises awareness!
@...camusapprentice: if you want to download it. www.irfree.com/2009/04/16/look-dvdrip-xvid-tfe/
@...camusapprentice: Well, honestly, I am a criminal. I feel good about it too. I don’t like the ‘system’ I don’t like our social structure and I don’t like the state of our global society. So being branded as a criminal for some of the things I do with my life, (that harm none), doesn’t make me feel bad at all. In fact, it’s spiritually reassuring.
But satellite cameras? I know all about them, but I am not at all worried. If my mischief and skulduggery warrants the specific attention and focus of a satellite… well, that’s like, at least a 10x points multiplier, and clearly I am awesome. Seriously, if you are worried about satellites, you must be either dangerously paranoid, or doing something that is -really- bad. I’m confident that the ratio of serious violent criminals and would be terrorists out there : to the number of spy satellites above, keeps their attention focused elsewhere. Also, so they can zoom in and see the top of my hat or hood? whoopety-do.
“See a flea in a speeders hair”? You are exaggerating needlessly. Even the top-of-the-line security cameras that are monitoring banks and pharmaceutical offices and bill gates’ estate are not exactly recording in 1080p or anything. Not yet at least.
@...sylvanish: Okay, all understood.
I was speaking is slight hyperbole. I was giving you top of the line and top of the line isnt the standard yet. But in the same spirit of my other cause and effect comments, today they cant see your face, but in 2 years time, the cameras WILL be better.
I think you put it perfectly. Not yet at least. Im not content to just sit back and wait till yet happens.
@...ColombianMonkey: I will likely be downloanding this. Thanks!
@...camusapprentice: THIS MOVIE IS FUCKED UP!!! LOL women will never change in dressing rooms
Damn…remember the days when you could have an actual discussion on this site?