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i say this on piratebay.org this i must say is full of win.
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I saw it there as well, there is much win in this.
I’m still a little fuzzy on how reproducing the work of others is a “human right”. Srsly –not trying to be a wiseass this time :\
@...HoChunk: It all boils down to money really. If you download a movie rather than buy it, a major movie company loses the $15 – $25 dollars they would have normally made. Now multiply that by say 1000 (though the number is way higher) and your looking at the loss of some serious bread.
Not to say that I don’t support sites such as piratebay.org which I do. Same goes for downloading music. The artist loses money as does the record label, but seriously, are you really going to pay $20 – $30 (sometimes more!) for an album when there is really only two, maybe three songs you enjoy?
@...Tetsuo137:
ah, that’s a false argument. Me downloading a copy of “Glitter” doesn’t mean that the MPAA company is out $15 bucks. I would never ever actually pay for that movie, but if it’s free, then I might watch it.
copying the movie does not deny profits to the movie company. in many cases it actually helps them. when I first saw the trailer for super troopers, it looked stupid and I didn’t want to watch it, but then I was drunk one night, downloaded it, and loved it. I think I’ve owned 2 or 3 different versions of the film.
Same situation with Firefly. Downloaded them all, was wow’d by it and then bought the dvds. Then someone said, hey, if you liked that, you might like buffy and angel. So I downloaded those, and you know what? I did like them, so I bought the dvd sets.
So there’s $500 bucks that the MPAA would have never seen had I not been able to download with ease.
Of course, this might work against them too in cases such as Glitter or whatever 😉
@...tiki god:
I watched all of Firefly on Hulu, I’ll have to get the DVDs ASAP.
I will never watch Glitter ever ever ever ever.
I agree with your point.
@...tiki god: Yup. It works with books too. There have been several titles I’ve bought as hardcopy because I liked the PDF enough. Giving content away for free on digital channels, if it’s quality content, increases sales.
As for HoChunk’s question: Reproducing others’ material is irrelevant to rights, but the right to be entertained is almost surely a human right (“pursuit of happiness”). With large corporate entities wanting to sever internet connections for those they call “pirates”, the issue of human rights does in fact become prominent.
Quite honestly, I used to be a Kazaa kid during the P2P heydays, and I downloaded a song that I heard on the internet that I liked. Guess what? I liked the song so much that even though I already had it, I went out and bought the CD, and found even more songs that I liked. Ta-da.
I think this is about internet neutrality. I’m pretty sure it was already struck down, but there was a time when corporations were lobbying for the right to decide who could visit what sites on the internet using their service. Kind of an oligopoly thing.
Then again, I don’t know how old this is.
@...warren: In fact, here’s an example of what I mentioned — PDF sales pushing hardcopy sales up:
wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2009/02/in-which-an-electronic-version-of-sunken-treasure-goes-on-sale.html
“Over the next 24 hours, I checked sales every hour or so (hey, can you blame me?) and I watched total PDF sales close the gap with print sales, but something really awesome was also happening: the print sales, which had slowed to about 2 a day a month after release, suddenly picked up!”
@...HoChunk:
It’s not. But the entertainment industry was founded to ENTERTAIN. So if someone is using your song (as in the comic’s scenario) to entertain themselves, it is still being used for it’s intended purpose so.. meh?
I know people have to earn money, but I have yet to hear ONE case of someone who’s broke and starving because of illegal dowloading. If anything, I’m in with the group of people who like to sample before I buy. I am more apt to buy the DVD if I downloaded and liked the film/show. Had I skipped the film, I would have forgotten about it and never bought the DVD.
$25 DVD > $15 movie ticket. So I’d say I’m paying them MORE with my download. 😛 And if the product sucks, no, you DO NOT deserve to profit off of it. So blow me.
@...tiki god: I suppose that I would have to agree. I downloaded the movie Sunshine out of sheer boredom and totally enjoyed it, therefore it was something that I had to add to my collection. Had I not downloaded it, I might never have enjoyed it, and never have added it to my collection. My point is mostly aimed at the people who download movies and leave it at that, and don’t bother investing in a hard copy. While I’m in agreement with most of your comment, I have to disagree with one of them….. Glitter?!?!?!
That is so true. I made a video from half life 2, where I put the little light/electricity balls on the front of the buggy, and made it look like it had hydraulics, and I put it to the beat of “still dre” instrumental, and somehow it got removed because it had the music for 30 seconds?
Wow…honey > vinegar. Who knew.
Banned from the internet? Sounds like they need to bring back Snacks.
There are a lot of responsible people that use illegal downloading as a sampler for media, but I’m betting there are far more who question why they would buy the cow when they could get the milk for free.
Sure, some people wouldn’t buy it if they had to pay for it, but that same logic applies to regular theft. If you’d just walk if you couldn’t afford gas, that doesn’t justify stealing gas.
Hell, gas is at least sort of important to living your life. Certainly entertainment execs and top-tier performers aren’t starving, but neither are illegal downloaders. The only difference is that one set of people are breaking the law, and the other isn’t. If the laws are stupid, then people should lobby to get them changed; not just break them because they feel entitled to music and movies. That’s not even talking about possible effects on emerging artists and independent filmmakers who might have to take hard looks at their bottom lines.
Fuck. The entertainment industry has been slow on the uptake, no one is denying that. They’re large, complacent companies who own exclusive distribution rights to the movies they make. Why innovate, when you’re the only source of the Transformers Special Edition DVD? They probably could push sales and should innovate by founding something like Hulu or iTunes instead of waiting for it to pop up, or giving downloads for decent portions of movies, shows, or albums as samplers. But they don’t. That doesn’t justify stealing from them.
Fucking human rights? Fucking really?
Yeah, the internet is a vital part of modern life; the avenues of communication, commerce, and information sharing that the internet provides are relevant to rights like assembly, press, and speech. Attempts to regulate the internet as a whole do affect these rights, but trying to stop people from illegally downloading bootleg copies of Lil Wayne and Twilight? No. Not a right. Not even fucking close.
The overzealous, dishonest, and idiotic methods used by the recording industry in their pursuit of illegal downloaders; the manipulation of facts, disregard for personal rights and due process, and one-sided bully pulpit of putting these messages blatant propaganda into the media is a lot closer to a rights issue, a lot closer to a real problem, and it’s a perspective the seems to make this comic make sense.
But fuck, everyone quit talking about this a week ago. 😛