@...camusapprentice:
Because atheists never impersonate christians with the purpose of defaming the character of a group or to remove philosophical validity, right? No, they are always respectful and reasonable to those of differing opinion/belief. And they would NEVER EVER sink as low as anonymously posting as a disillusioned christian mother who thinks finding gay porn in her sons room is a sign that he is fucking his girlfriend.

@...Dublin0:

He doesn’t need his little brother to help him.

@...ieattime20:

So what you are saying is that all christians do not believe in facts or reality? That all christians are idiots much like your mother who ignore reality in order to uphold arcane sociological parameters?

That’s a pretty closed minded thing to say because the fact of the matter is that ALL CHRISTIANS ARE NOT LIKE THAT. Yes there are plenty of Christians who are like that and unfortunately a large portion of Christians do act and think like that. But for the most part those portions tend to be the most dogmatic and uneducated of the christian populace. I myself am a christian in the sense that i worship christ but by no means do i think evolution is a tool of satan and that gays are condemned to hell.

Here is a link to the Metropolitan community church. This is A CHRISTIAN CHURCH THAT IS PRO-GAY MARRIAGE. They campaigned against prop-8 in California and they openly support gays/lesbians and even transgenders.

The first link is an analysis on the bible and Homosexuality. Again it is not written with the intent of admonishing gays/lesbians whateverthefuck. It is quite the opposite.

www.mccchurch.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Resources&Template=/CM/HTMLDisplay.cfm&ContentID=2074#bibleandhomosexuality

mccchurch.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home

“We must read and interpret scripture with the aid of the history and tradition of the Christian church. We must also bring reason—philosophical and rational thought–to bear on applications of scripture to real life situations. And last and most importantly, scripture must be weighed alongside human experience—especially the experience of God’s grace.

It is time we stopped making an idol out of the Bible. It is time we bring philosophical and rational thought—especially what the sciences have told us about sexual orientation and identity development—into conversation with the Bible. It is time we listen to the experiences of God’s gay and lesbian children who know with all their hearts that God has created them just as they are.”

That is a direct quote from the above churches website. This church isn’t the only group of christians either, there are multitudes of christians accepting the above information as a valid interpretation of the bible. But you will never hear about these people so long as you keep visiting websites and reading books that stand with the purpose of discrediting the opposing viewpoints. You don’t learn about evolution by walking into a christian run creationism “museum” Just like you won’t learn about the rational non-crazy groups of christians from www.antichristian-phenomenon.com/

@...ieattime20:
“by believing in God, you are flying in the face of all evidence that rational thought has provided us”

I must violently disagree with you there sir. I have always believed that science does nothing more than explain how god most likely does what he does. For example i am an Old-Earth creationist. I believe that it did indeed probably take thousands/millions/billions of years for our planet and life on it to come forth. Now the reason i believe this is not only because of Scientific theory/fact but also because in the Direct hebrew translation of Genesi it starts off saying that “the earth was void” Now the hebrew word for void also meant ” destroyed” so the scripture can be read as ” the earth had been destroyed.” To me would suggest that some sort of violent cataclysmic event that destroyed the planet, or a mass extinction, all of which we know have happened and can support with scientific evidence. Same thing with evolution and DNA. We know that evolution ( if it is indeed 100% fact) occurs via genetic mutation/adaptation. To me it sounds awfully convenient that DNA knows how to magically change to suit it’s surroundings. There is no way a bunch of nitrogen and glucose is sentient. Again i am not arguing that genetic evolution doesn’t take place, we know for a fact that it does occur on one level or another. Whether it is the definite way ALL life came about is another argument completely. Now it is also completey possible that the random genetic mutations that would eventually create life and intelligent life like you or me really did happen because of god. “How so” you may ask? Well if we take the old-earth creationist theory into account we know that the bible says that it took god “ages” to create the “new earth” providing this interpretation of the bible is true then we can safely assume that during these millions or billiions of years life was evolving as god was doing whatever the hell he might have been doing. To be scientifically and skeptically rational we can also assume that although the earth was destroyed, there very well could have been life that had not been extinguished and needless to say allow for older organisms to continue evolving. Now you may ask ” well according to your theory the bible doesn’t say that there was life that survived, so you are wrong! By your theory life was still spontaneously generated by god not evolution” Well that may be true but did you really expect the guy was writing that part of the bible to say ” in the beginning there were single celled organisms and complex organism that through a series of natural selection, mutation, random genetic drift, and gene flow that eventually created the early templates for the evolution of man and other complex organisms.” let alone for him god made man from the dust of the earth” And that wouldn’t be too off now would it? Current evolutionary theory suggests that the over all basis of life was spontaneously generated from the “primordial soup” and after all, what is Dna made out of ? Nitrogen and Glucose mostly and if i remember biology correctly all life on earth is carbon based, all of those elements which are found in the “dust of the earth.”
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Sorry if i went off on a tangent/spiel. I just wanted to demonstrate that there is no reason to toss out rationality and scientific fact in order to believe in god. And there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for Evolutionary creation to not exist within religion, nor for science to not be part of religion.

This is how i personally see the whole Science vs Religion debacle.

As our knowledge of science advances so does our knowledge of god. That is the way i see science vs religion. God needs science in order to exist and science needs god in order to be applied.