@...HoChunk:

And that attitude would vanish if you saw your best friends, family, wife, husband etc, slaughtered by the people those weapons were going to be used on. War is inevitable, now i don’t know about you but i live in the real world. And it sucks because just like war, the real world is fucking hell. If i defend myself i kill, if i don’t defend myself i let others and even myself be killed. How can you peacefully speak to those who refuse to acknowledge you as a human let alone give you the respect that they would give to a fish or snake. That is the real world. If we use our weapons for intimidation and round up and imprison these people we are oppressive tyrants, If we take the lives of these people we are murderers. Where does it end? How do you suggest we solve that which can only be resolved by actions? If you honestly think that getting rid of weapons will end war and that “just talking” will get positive results then you are living in a fantasy world. This is the real world. People die for unfair reasons all the time. It will never end. Even if we destroyed all of our weapons and all joined under one nation there would still be some one stockpiling weapons to stage a hostile takeover. no amount of talking and no amount of legislation will stop war. As long as man has differing opinions there will always be war, as long as we have the ability to physically interact with our environment there will always be war.

To say that “An attitude that would vanish at the first dead child you saw with your naked eyes.” is the most simple way of viewing it possible. It is not that simple, it will never be that simple. It is provincial beyond all belief to think that the death of innocent life is a deterrent in any way whatsoever. This is the real world HoChunk, Nobody ever wins, one group just loses the least amount of life and lives to fight another day. The most you can do is attack the other side by taking as little life as possible. No matter what your actions there is no such thing as a victimless conflict.

“war is hell”
-William Tecumseh Sherman

@...HoChunk:
First off, if you read what i said and actually pondered on it (instead of acting like an asshole) you would see that i elaborated on why witnessing a dead child firsthand would be largely ineffective.

Now here is a fun fact about me. I lived about twenty minutes outside of New York City. I was in sixth grade when 9/11 happened. From the third floor of my school i was able to see the World Trade Center, and on that day i saw it engulfed in flames and what looked to be small black dots falling off of it ( turns out they were most likely people). When some of my friends parents came home that night they were covered in blood and dust. That was pretty fucking freaky because my friends parents for the most part were uninjured which only meant that it was the blood of other people. That day was a really fucking surreal day for me and would only impact me more the older i grew. A few weeks later i was doing volunteer work to help out the fire fighters and cops with clean up, Now i never got to go to the site myself since i was across the river in jersey city, but i heard some of the most horrifying things in my life those days. Not a single day went by where i didn’t hear about a fireman finding a babies severed arm or rotting corpse. NOT A SINGLE FUCKING DAY WENT BY when i saw these big burly men and tough as nails women crying over finding the charred corpses of Babies who were only a month old. My uncle was (still is) a JCPD detective at the time and he brought some photos of the attack site. He showed me a picture of an injured ( but very alive) baby caught up in the wreckage screaming for dear life as a beam of twisted metal was over its body. Yeah i didn’t see it first hand, but i saw the event that triggered it all first hand.

I know the ramifications of acts of war. But it was more than just that, I witnessed an even that would forever have a hand in the shaping of my country and the rest of the worlds’ foreign policy.

I then realized that. This carnage is nothing compared to what can be done with actual military hardware like nyokki posted. At the flip of a switch america, russia or any other nation could make 9/11 style devastation look like a dented bumper in a wal-mart parking lot.

The older i got the more i ponderd the above and it made me think about exactly why war and violence happened and what i could do to keep things like that from happening. Eventually i came to the conclusions i demonstrated in my first comment.

But it was more than that, i realized that i myself had condoned the wanton destruction in the name of vengeance and war. I was disgusted yet at the same time largely unsurprised by my train of thought. You see, violence will always breed violence no matter what actions are in place to impede it’s progression. I was fully aware of the consequences of an act of war, how it would intermingle innocent lives who had no real connection to the cause of the violence other than that they happened to live in or near the area that was to be attacked. By the time the nation went to war with iraq all i could think about was how many people would be telling stories like those the NYC firemen would speak of. How much worse their stories would be compared to theirs.

So fucking excuse me here, but i am not an armchair general. I play call of duty but only because it is a fun game. In the real world it is anything but a game. It is a vicious cycle where everyone ends up a murderer.

I am far from sheltered, by the time i was 15 my life was like some cliche after school special about drugs and violence. I saw my friends go off to die and vicariously murder innocent lives in the name of national and global security.

So what have you seen? Really i’d like to know. Because so far you sound like some pretentious twat who thinks because they can use stark and vivid imagery to get across a point that they are a paragon of Humanity and Compassion. How will seeing a dead child change anything? How in the hell will YOU change anything? Running around on the internet yelling at people for trivializing something that is grimm beyond all comprehension.

I bet you are some two faced cunt who is laughing at holocaust jokes one second and crying murder the second someone mentions Darfur. I am willing to bet you don’t even know what it is like to actually walk in on a person in the midst of bloody death, let alone find a friends dead body covered in blood and torn flesh.

Also if you read my comment without going into Auto-Defend you would realize that i was explaining why SEEING A DEAD FUCKING BODY FIRSTHAND,REGARDLESS OF AGE, IS NOT ENOUGH TO END ALL WAR AND ANY THOUGHT THAT MAY LEAD TO IT!.

Now go log off your computer and masturbate to your smug sense of accomplishment because you made some mean ol’ “empty headed” internet guy look like an asshole. The only reason you are acting this way is because you wan’t some fucking recognition for having thoughts that have universally acceptable principles.