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So? Arrogance is sexy. And hatred is underrated anyway.
Not sure what eloquence has to do with arrogance. One has to do with being able to talk (or type) affluently, and the other has to do with being full of yourself. Though I can understand why people who thing u, and thnx, etc, are real words, would dislike people who actually took the effort to spell. These are full size keyboards people, not cellphones. Kthnxbye 😛
srsly? whateva.
@...Qumefox: That may be true, but I will never understand why people think it’s acceptable to use the word ‘thing’ in the place of the word ‘think’
That’s because I fail at being eloquent. Along with many other things 😛
I agree. Well I assumed they meant people who use big words for no apparent reason other than to impress. Which is arrogant. In general, if you can avoid words like that, you should do so. Needless to mention that I don’t do that.
Actual eloquence doesn’t make anyone worth mentioning angry. Maybe they should have used a different word.
@...dieAntagonista: My actual take of it is if you show you have the ability of eloquence, the common rabble that only wants to concern themselves with the new designs of coach bags and the stats of their favorite NFL teams naturally feel inferior, and what do humans do when they feel inferior? They attack blindly.
To go to my highschool days, how can it be cooler to have a pair of heelies than to place in a shakespeare acting festival. One took 50 of daddies dollars, the other took months and months of hard work and a demonstration of ability in the english language. The ones that dont want to learn outnumber the ones that do.
@...camusapprentice: America, FUCK YEAH!
I spent grades 1-8 in the states, then high school in Europe. The biggest difference I found is that in America being smart is discouraged by both teachers and students while Europeans encourage intelligence. I went from being a straight-A student, never having to study, to 9th grade where I promptly flunked two subjects and barely made it through the rest. The lesson I came away with is that the American education system is broken and that American society prefers it that way. Unfortunately, America is churning out McDonald’s employees while the rest of the world is raising rocket scientists.
@...Annarchy: Absolutely true, but remember that any society NEEDS far more burger flippers than rocket scientists. 🙂
Eloquence done right is charming, not annoying; and people who hate eloquence are too ignorant to bother with anyway.
Long speeches and big words does not make you eloquent. Sometimes its entirely the opposite, brevity is the soul of wit and all that. If people are hating you for being eloquent, then you’re doing it wrong.
I thought it would make you hated because eloquence is seldom projected so much as self acknowledged. Pomposity and eloquence tend to hold hands.
Also smarty had a party and nobody came.
I’d say this is true for people who have large vocabularies, but are not eloquent. People like listening to eloquent speakers, but hate pompous twits who use big words to show their superior grasp of language.
@...Annarchy: This is true. But when a person has plans for world domination…
“Power corrupts. Knowledge is power. Study hard. Be Evil. “
It’s the condescending and patronizing attitude that people don’t like. Eloquence is, in part, the ability to make one’s point successfully. Perception is important if you want people to understand and go w/ you. Obama is a good example of eloquence w/out too much arrogance or condescension. When you read his word, it can be off-putting to some, but when you hear him speak, it’s not there. A large vocabulary on its own is meaningless. One of the Wayans’ brothers did a funny skit (In Living Color) w/ a character that used “big” words that he clearly didn’t know the meaning of. Hilarity ensued.
Not all American schools are pitiful. I went to Stuyvesant and had no trouble going back and forth between French and American schools. I have noticed a severe decline in difficulty and complexity of math and science levels expected of our students than 40 years ago.
I don’t know any big words.
@...doc: Not even one? How about delicatessen? Now you know one.
The way that I perceived the original graphic (is the term, “de-motivational poster,” forum standard here?) was that it was refering to the forum user who mistook well crafted sentence structure for well crafted logic an argument.
I guess it depends on which internet personality you find the most annoying: the kaythnxbye! type who type too fast, don’t proofread, use internet specific shorthands, and generally degrade the English language; or the internet pedant who will use overly complex language, assertions of logical fallacies, deliberate attempts to get a ad homonim response so as to make an ad homonim repudiation of the rest of their attacker’s arguments, and otherwise restructure the situation to make themselves “win” the argument (when the rest of the forum didn’t realize they were in an argument, because they thought they were having a discussion).
I guess one person’s internet bad behavior is another person’s free expression.
@...WistfulD: Wait, wat? u meen dat dis r not a 4m of ‘teligint diskushun? Pfft. U r jus a h8r.
kthnxbai.
@...Phyreblade: We don’t like your kind on this thread.
@...nyokki: HAH! U jus jelus o mah prfekt lolspk. No moar h8rade 4 u. 😛
@...Phyreblade: lol u got m3
@...nyokki: I noo it!!! 😀
@...Phyreblade: I’m so ashamed 😉
@...WistfulD: I’m referring to no one. Who are YOU referring to?
Also: this just in from Captain Spellcheck: “ad hominem”
Thanks everyone for the interesting comments. The only thing I’d add would be to advise folks who feel strongly about this sort of thing to beware mistaking eloquence for prolixity, or someone who uses “big words” for a poseur.
@...HoChunk: You should have given this advice to John Kerry.
@...WistfulD:
I don’t think internet speak,or LOLspeak, for that matter, degrade the language. It’s a natural evolution and it’s not affecting the spoken language.
@...Annarchy: Agreed. I’m not sure it’s possible to ruin a language by adding words to it. The enemy of language relevance is stagnation (usually via regulation of use). France is coming close to that kind of stagnation.
@...nyokki:
Hell yes! Orwell said it: limit the language and you limit the people’s thoughts.
Why is this happening in France?
@...Annarchy: France has an academy of scholars on language usage. They decide which words/phrases will be accepted into the language and how they are to be used. At this point there are some real differences between the spoken and the written language…or at least there was the last time I lived there (which admittedly has been a decade, well 2…fine 3, sheesh!). It’s all about how the language sounds, so you get some ridiculous ways of saying things and it tends to make the written language rather awkward.
@...nyokki:
Sounds just like English! We should all immediately switch to phonetic spelling.
@...Annarchy: Ah, but who’s phonetic would we use?
@...nyokki:
Hm…let’s stick with something simple, like Serbian or Croatian. Only because those are the ones I know.
@...nyokki: Verbosity & pompousness were the least of Kerry’s problems. His primary flaw was that he was just so…fucking……DULL.