I sympathize with the suffering of my fellow human beings in Gaza.
However, if you don’t want a bunch of Jews to blow up everything you love. You might want to think twice about VOTING for a terrorist organization; hell bent on destroying all Jews, to be in control of your government.
All morality aside… them ‘splosions sure are perty tho huh?
I was just thinking about this. The beauty of an explosion, often remarked on especially with mushroom clouds… it fascinates me how the most lethal and destructive forces in the world are so… enchanting.
I don’t know how to really articulate it, but whenever I look at images of military violence, whether it be soldiers and hardware posed and grinning, (the violence in a state of potential energy), or the magnificent chaos of active destruction captured, or even the brutal human after-effect, there is just so much emotion, so much raw magik involved that just pictures of it cause my whole body to tremble with a sensation that is practically sexual yet so terribly profoundly sad that I sometimes find myself slipping into a state of sheer hysteria, crying and laughing and groaning with …with honestly, I think its joy. Morbid passion. A death-lust.
Maybe I’m just weird.
A picture of a tank does this to me, a picture of a parent holding their bloodied child and screaming to God does this to me. Explosions and ordnance do this too. I look at the sun and think, God is not merciful. No amount of pleading will stop the sun from burning nor grow a limb back.
Some are beautiful and intense and some just make me realize that we are very lucky that it’s not happening to us. This image gave me chills when I first saw it.
Explosions are pretty because fire is pretty. I mean, have you ever just sat and stared at a fire? Four hours later you’re like, “WTF just happened?” Over the holidays our local cable station played an endless loop of of a bunch of logs burning in a fireplace. I swear I must have watched 60 hours worth of it over two weeks.
This war doesn’t have much to do with religion. It’s about the land. The Palestinians have been there before, then the Israelites came. Jews lived perfectly happy amongst Muslims in these Arabic countries, until Israel happened. Muslims and Jews are brothers. But Israel has broken human rights laws and more. Why does the mass media only report suicide bombings but not things like that? Think about it. And all this while the Palestinians are starving to death.
@...outofocus: awsome, thanks. This might clear up the slight confusing the rest of the world suffers from..
Hamas is probably backed by that loser in Iran.
Islam is a what- like 4000yr old religion? Don’t they understand this is 2009? oh right -third world..and you think Jews and Christanity are to blame for your religios failures.. mabye if you read a book written in say the last century- your world would not be so third.
@...dieAntagonista: “while the Palestinians are starving to death.” – i see your point. but think about the harsh lifestyle of islam. There failures are because they do NOT adapt themselves to todays society. they CHOOSE to live a lifestyle of death and pain.. “LIVE BY THE SWORD…whats next.”
Newsflash, Judaism and Christianity are older than Islam. But making fun of them dirty Muslims is much more fun, isn’t it. Palestinians were perfectly happy before their country got stolen. Hamas is brainwashing the people, yeah. That’s what desperate and sick people do in situations like that.
@...Flappycunt: That is an outrageous lie. I have family in Gaza. Guess what, they were perfectly happy 60 years ago. What do you say to that? They don’t choose to starve? What are you talking about. Israel built a wall, they won’t let them out. Don’t you understand that.
woah there- your preching to the chior(bad analogy) FREEDOM!.. I think anyone who will die for their religion MISSED the point of religion…as for christ being older then islam- ya um.. anyways- you should move your family out. I would think you make a few US dollars here and there..send it. i feel bad for your family but jeez- Governments will ALLWAYS fuck you. live and learn. or fight back- just make damn sure you own bombs don’t kill your own. as for islam- a way of life is fine by me- just don’t push your religion on me or i’ll start war. hmm sounds like world war 3- the end of GOD- just as the mayans said. Go times.
When you add war to any equation everything becomes irrational. Peoples stupidity is contagious. The difference between an argument and a war is the number of people involved.
Hah! try to understand my self contradictory logic!
What in the world are you talking about.It amazes me how someone who obviously has no idea what they’re talking about is so sure that they’re right.
People who are willing to die for a religion are sick. They need to be put in an institution or jail or whatever. But guess what, TV lied to you. That’s not what Islam teaches. Do you personally know only one radical Muslim? Have you ever heard of one before 9/11? Of course not.
My family is doing fine thank you. I have two aunts who work for the UN so they are sort of save.
And I’m not preaching anything. I don’t care if Israel exists or not. If Israel must be, then let it be. But why don’t they let anyone out of the country or in? Why does the media never report how they attack the houses of peaceful Palestinians?
As for the rest, anyone who is willing to kill themselves is mentally sick. Doesn’t matter if religious or not. Islam doesn’t say anything about bombing yourself. Sick people started brainwashing desperate people in order to kill as many people as possible.
And Jesus Christ. You go on about how backwards Islam is, yet you think the Mayans were right about the end of the world? That is beyond naive. The Mayans who weren’t able to predict to their own downfall, but they knew when the entire world is going to end? Maybe you should pick up a book that wasn’t written hundreds of years ago.
yes i do hate islam- as every religion. Islam is the fastest spreading and growing religion- sounds like a threat to My FREEDOMS. FREEDOM being the key word..if you dare say islam involves freedom- wow. ask a shiite woman what freedom means to them. It will differ from American freedom drasticlly. but heck, if you like being treated like shit- or treating woman like shit and objects- islams for you.
All religion is shit. It is an outdated method of enforcing morals apon people who have none. In the days where varifying who killed and raped a woman was next to impossible, they had to have a method of making people do right when it was so easy to do wrong. The only good thing about religion is that it offers something more to the lives for those who need it. People who need a greater purpose would be dangerous if they didn’t have one. There is nothing more dangerous than a hopeless person and to quote dexter holland: “You can’t kill a man when he’s got no hope”
For that reason alone I respect religion. If all those people in the turmoil in Isreal didn’t have religion this situation would be a shitload worse.
@...dieAntagonista: Yeah. I would have loved to have been there when they invented the Mayan Calendar. I bet it went like this.
Chief: Serf, make us a calendar to track the sun and the seasons and tell us when to plant potatos.
Serf: Yes sir, just don’t kill me.
(1 month later)
Chief: Serf, you got my calendar ready yet?
Serf: Yes sir. It says the world will end in the year 2012, and plant potatoes after the first new moon.
Chief: 2012!? 2012? The world will end in 4000 winters? That’s terrible news.
Serf: Oh, don’t worry sir. We will be spared.
Chief: Well that’s better.
Serf: Yeah. Because around 1350, a wetback named Cortez is gonna show up and kill everyone on the continent.
“But why don’t they let anyone out of the country or in?”
There’s a wall on the Egyptian border, too. Why doesn’t Egypt allow Palestinians in or out?
Why don’t any Arab countries accept Palestinians refugees? Israel has committed some questionable acts, the Palestinians have been equally mistreated by their own people.
yes i do remember muslims killing themselves befor 9-11. it seemed to happen almost every weekend- isn’t that why your here and not there?
anyways -i really don’t give a fuck about the rest of the world- my small minded views of freedom to all- please read the constitution(which doesn’t relate today- just like the koran) is only a fraction of what humans COULD do-if only we could all get along… peaceout- i’m going home to smoke my homegrown illeagel weeds which my government outlawed. so i will be building rockets to shoot at them- sounds mature right? .
@...Flappycunt: I don’t care what you think of Islam. I know more about Islam than you, and the Muslims lead a peaceful life, as long as their aren’t people who brainwash them and whatnot. How many Muslims do you know? You think you have the right to kill people because you don’t agree with how they live their lives and because they could be a threat to your freedom? Anything could be a threat to your freedom, but only the dirty Muslims seem to be bothering you.
@...reboot: I have not said anything that argues with any of your points. Fact is, everyone is afraid to criticise Israel, but apparently it’s ok to criticise the Palestinians. It was a peaceful country before Israel, so what’s your theory on why this so suddenly changed? Did the Muslims all of the sudden become radical, just like that?
@...dieAntagonista: When people talk like you, I wince. Not because you’re flat out wrong– you’re not. To pretend the Israelis are innocent simply because of the methods of fighting of the Palestinians is stupid.
But to pretend the Palestinians are right or that they haven’t been extremists in the face of political pressure, or that they haven’t put stupid political machinations over the lives of their people, or because they have what is at this point an obsession with a plot of land that only harms, ever greater, their chances of actually get said land back, is also false.
This conflict is the very definition of the motif of a ‘war that has gone on so long no one knows why it started’. Every day new reasons are created to KEEP fighting, and justify joining the fray, but does anyone really actually have a coherent point to make besides, “NUH UH, YOU started it” at this juncture?
We need to leave. ALL the other countries need to leave. Let them realize that nobody’s watching them to make sure one side or the other doesn’t get destroyed, take away their safety net. Let them do what they’ve always wanted, give them the opportunity; either iron out some desperate agreement, or turn the whole region into a fucked-to-death burning pile of shit.
@the3g_ipwn:
Thanks for lulz
@Flappycunt:
Pls shut the hell up before I track you down via the intertubes and make you eat your own weight in fecal matter, you stupid, arrogant, closedminded ignorant piece of human waste! God I wish you were in the rubbel of some of the buildings the IDF bombed, instead of some 4 y.o. innocent girl!!
………………… 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10… nope, still pissed
@...ieattime20: I’m sorry. Yes I hate myself for writing like that.
And again, I haven’t said anything that claims different than what you said. But Flappycunt acts like they deserve this because they’re Muslims. It made me angry.
Over 60% of the Palestinians want peace, rather than have Palestine back again. I know Palestine wasn’t perfect and that they did have issues. But ever since Israel things have changed so drastically. And the one thing that bothers me is that it’s obvious that nobody dares to criticise Israel. Only Palestinians. Israel has broken human right laws and more, I can’t stress that enough. But WHY doesn’t mass media report that?
Jews lived in peace with Muslims before Israel. Israel is a Zionist country and any Jew who is true to themselves, like myself, would never support Israel. But like I said, I don’t care. If Israel must be, then let it be. But to criticise the Palestinians just because they’re Muslims is beyond outrageous.
ieattime20 (#4648)
15 years ago
@...dieAntagonista: Oh, plenty of people criticise Israel, just few people that live in the USA and Britain. A quick look at history tells you why. And few people in countries like France or Egypt do much BUT criticise Israel.
I renounce the idea that this war is at base religious. Religion only hurts, but the primary cause is political. How do I know that? Your statistic about Palestinians is pretty low, actually. More than 60% want peace. More than 60% of Israeli people also want peace, a pull out of the region and only to occupy their small, original state. The governments don’t listen.
The same thing happens here; 70% or more of Americans want the US to stop supplying Israel with war gear and start mediating peace treaties. The government doesn’t listen. It’s politics.
It’s only worse for Palestine because, and this is my only critique of the religion of Islam, their government is inherently religious and oligarchal, and so the inevitable shitty, shitty politicians are able to meld their political goals with the deeper-rooted power of religion to compel people. “Don’t vote for X because X is good for the country; vote for X because God/Allah/Jesus wants it that way.” Instead of, “You don’t want to be on the losing side of this election do you?” you have “You don’t want to be on the opposite side from God do you?”
@...ieattime20: Well I haven’t heard much of that criticism you’re talking about. And mass media has been suppressing a lot of information, like it or not. All I get to hear is, radical Muslims this, radical Muslims that.
60% may seem low, but it’s more than what most people think and that’s really all I meant. People like Flappycunt think all Palestinians want war because they’re Muslims and whatnot, this was the only thing really that got me angry.
As for the rest, yes I agree exactly. That’s why I said in the beginning, it’s politics. Obviously, religious politicians are a nightmare, but it’s still politics.
Fact: assholes have been fighting over that land for millennia.
I believe they will fight over it for many years to come.
@Flappycunt: I laugh every time I see your name but I do have to say you may be the village idiot. Perhaps You should pick up a sword and shield and go on a crusade to rape and pillage the holy land in the name of retardation and all interweb tough guys.
I’m way too late to the shitstorm, but there are a lot of cool Muslims out there that are very laid back. Just like there are crazy Christians, there are also crazy Muslims, and both give a bad name to the easy going normal ones.
Also, like reboot said, Egypt is also sitting there letting people suffer. No issue is ever black & white.
@...dieAntagonista: I didn’t mean to argue any of your points. Mostly add that Israel isn’t the only entity responsible for the Palestinians’ suffering.
“It was a peaceful country before Israel, so what’s your theory on why this so suddenly changed? Did the Muslims all of the sudden become radical, just like that?”
The fall of the Ottoman Empire (1918) and the subsequent partitioning of the Middle East by European powers had a lot to do with it. This really isn’t a thousand year old conflict, its really only been going on since the last century
@...reboot: Yeah I see what you mean. Well but the media doesn’t seem to have any problem with reporting what Egypt does, or no?
And yeah that’s true also, but it’s undeniable that it’s since Israel that Muslims went batshit insane like that. Most people act like Palestinians have a problem with Israel just because of the Jews, which is nonsense. Since, like I mentioned, they lived in peace together, before Israel.
Dammit, guys… I was trying really hard to turn this into a “YOU’RE AN ASSHOLE ARRPIE!” fest… *sigh* But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO political debate. Tiki would so disapointed.
I’ll say this much: Israel has shown remarkable restraint. They have the capability to really wreck shop, so to speak, on quite a few of the countries surrounding them, yet they mostly choose not to despite the fact that they’re attacked on a very frequent basis.
Did anybody else notice that the guy is standing in front of a morgue refrigerator? From the positon of his hand, he’s about to opent it. That’s a pretty powerful photograph, especially in context with the others.
There isn’t anything we can do about this. Arguing over this is the same as any internet fight, it’s like winning the special olympics, sure you got a medal, but you still have downs.
Fuck all of you Palestinian sympathizers. How come everyone gets all pissed when non-Muslims kick the shit out of some Muslims, but no one gives two shits when Muslims blow the shit out of other Muslim children? Everyone can say what they want about Israel but they should have put the beat down on Palestine sooner. How many Israelis have been killed by rockets and suicide bombers form Palestine since 2000? No one wants to talk about that do they? It’s easier to get after the Zionists isn’t it? As to say the Israelis took the land from the Palestinians is all fucked up to. Islam came around after the Jews and Christians had been in place there in Israel. As far as that goes maybe the Greeks, Egyptians and Italians (Romans) should go kick the shit out of Palestine as well. After all they once “owned†the land as well. The only reason people are so worked up about Israel being “created†and Palestinians being “bullied†is because it’s within current history. In two thousand years no one will give a fuck.
@...ieattime20: i notice you ask that why the media is not posting shit that needs to be posted, it’s pretty simple the media is like a dictatorship(don’t concentrate to hard or else you will miss the point). but in a democratic way.if they want to have food and roof over themselves. they will show what the “higher” people who are paying them wants the world to see. about the government in the USA. they don’t care about your needs what they are in for is the paper. that’s all
@...Flappycunt: as for your freedom, it’s no better than the freedom of others in Israel. you see your just being lied to, but over there not, just that they don’t hide all the truth. but where you reside, just taking advantage of you. you think that wielding a gun and having a voice to talk is freedom? come on, get a better education system. If YOU had freedom the government would stop supplying arms to Israel. If YOU had freedom any corrupted government would be overthrown *snap* don’t talk about freedom if you don’t have it. Real Freedom is having 100% of the cake but your just getting 50% of the cake but being just tricked into thinking that you have complete. But i must apologize i cannot blame you, it is wrong to blame a uneducated man. if you want some freedom, go to the mountains those 2nd world countries where they don’t have pc or government everyday you will work for your food and shelter. but now in this era you or nobody will ever have complete freedom.it threatens the government and they don’t want to be overthrown. they want to remain in power. and you’re right which proves that I’m right government WILL fuck you. and right now THEY ARE FUCKING YOU and you cannot do shit about it. why? cause you don’t have to freedom you think you have.
I think i still like it.
I second it.
much better than “random pictures I was too lazy to get out of the car to take”
Hamas Sucks Big Cock!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
and Israeli weapons kick ASS! Go Israel!
Very emotive. Good job.
I sympathize with the suffering of my fellow human beings in Gaza.
However, if you don’t want a bunch of Jews to blow up everything you love. You might want to think twice about VOTING for a terrorist organization; hell bent on destroying all Jews, to be in control of your government.
All morality aside… them ‘splosions sure are perty tho huh?
I was just thinking about this. The beauty of an explosion, often remarked on especially with mushroom clouds… it fascinates me how the most lethal and destructive forces in the world are so… enchanting.
I don’t know how to really articulate it, but whenever I look at images of military violence, whether it be soldiers and hardware posed and grinning, (the violence in a state of potential energy), or the magnificent chaos of active destruction captured, or even the brutal human after-effect, there is just so much emotion, so much raw magik involved that just pictures of it cause my whole body to tremble with a sensation that is practically sexual yet so terribly profoundly sad that I sometimes find myself slipping into a state of sheer hysteria, crying and laughing and groaning with …with honestly, I think its joy. Morbid passion. A death-lust.
Maybe I’m just weird.
A picture of a tank does this to me, a picture of a parent holding their bloodied child and screaming to God does this to me. Explosions and ordnance do this too. I look at the sun and think, God is not merciful. No amount of pleading will stop the sun from burning nor grow a limb back.
Yaisuah come back, we need to crucify you again.
… allow me to return the conversation to a normal MCS level…
AHAHAHAHAHA! THEY MADE THE STUPID ARAB GUY CRY!!!! GO AMERICA! EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS!!!
the views and oppinions reflected in this post do not necessarily reflect those of the poster or his subsidiaries. War blows. Bush is retarded.
There are some more pictures here:
www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/12/israel_and_gaza.html
www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/01/scenes_from_the_gaza_strip.html
Some are beautiful and intense and some just make me realize that we are very lucky that it’s not happening to us. This image gave me chills when I first saw it.
FUCKING RELIGION!
@Elepski:
Agreed. How many wars in history aren’t to be blamed on crazy God-botherers.
I wish I were a god…
Teehee My militia are moving against yours allah!
Allah: “Oi! Gerrum off my land!”
“No I wan’t this land because I am all powerful and you don’t exist!”
Allah: “Oh Snap!”
Explosions are pretty because fire is pretty. I mean, have you ever just sat and stared at a fire? Four hours later you’re like, “WTF just happened?” Over the holidays our local cable station played an endless loop of of a bunch of logs burning in a fireplace. I swear I must have watched 60 hours worth of it over two weeks.
What? Seriously?
This war doesn’t have much to do with religion. It’s about the land. The Palestinians have been there before, then the Israelites came. Jews lived perfectly happy amongst Muslims in these Arabic countries, until Israel happened. Muslims and Jews are brothers. But Israel has broken human rights laws and more. Why does the mass media only report suicide bombings but not things like that? Think about it. And all this while the Palestinians are starving to death.
@...outofocus: awsome, thanks. This might clear up the slight confusing the rest of the world suffers from..
Hamas is probably backed by that loser in Iran.
Islam is a what- like 4000yr old religion? Don’t they understand this is 2009? oh right -third world..and you think Jews and Christanity are to blame for your religios failures.. mabye if you read a book written in say the last century- your world would not be so third.
@...dieAntagonista: “while the Palestinians are starving to death.” – i see your point. but think about the harsh lifestyle of islam. There failures are because they do NOT adapt themselves to todays society. they CHOOSE to live a lifestyle of death and pain.. “LIVE BY THE SWORD…whats next.”
@...Flappycunt: Could you be any more arrogant?
Newsflash, Judaism and Christianity are older than Islam. But making fun of them dirty Muslims is much more fun, isn’t it. Palestinians were perfectly happy before their country got stolen. Hamas is brainwashing the people, yeah. That’s what desperate and sick people do in situations like that.
@...Flappycunt: That is an outrageous lie. I have family in Gaza. Guess what, they were perfectly happy 60 years ago. What do you say to that? They don’t choose to starve? What are you talking about. Israel built a wall, they won’t let them out. Don’t you understand that.
woah there- your preching to the chior(bad analogy) FREEDOM!.. I think anyone who will die for their religion MISSED the point of religion…as for christ being older then islam- ya um.. anyways- you should move your family out. I would think you make a few US dollars here and there..send it. i feel bad for your family but jeez- Governments will ALLWAYS fuck you. live and learn. or fight back- just make damn sure you own bombs don’t kill your own. as for islam- a way of life is fine by me- just don’t push your religion on me or i’ll start war. hmm sounds like world war 3- the end of GOD- just as the mayans said. Go times.
in the 3rd pic- the laser targeting system- with rocket. Bad-ass pic.
I forgot to put the link in.
www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/01/scenes_from_the_gaza_strip.html
If someone else didn’t beat me to it.
War is stupid in any form.
Arguing validity on any side is pointless.
When you add war to any equation everything becomes irrational. Peoples stupidity is contagious. The difference between an argument and a war is the number of people involved.
Hah! try to understand my self contradictory logic!
@...nyokki: the Red sun -“blood has been spilled today” great pic.
Lol, and of course outofocus remedied my omission. TY.
@...Putridity: what is logical? Humans are a bacteria. sounds logical too me.
What in the world are you talking about.It amazes me how someone who obviously has no idea what they’re talking about is so sure that they’re right.
People who are willing to die for a religion are sick. They need to be put in an institution or jail or whatever. But guess what, TV lied to you. That’s not what Islam teaches. Do you personally know only one radical Muslim? Have you ever heard of one before 9/11? Of course not.
My family is doing fine thank you. I have two aunts who work for the UN so they are sort of save.
And I’m not preaching anything. I don’t care if Israel exists or not. If Israel must be, then let it be. But why don’t they let anyone out of the country or in? Why does the media never report how they attack the houses of peaceful Palestinians?
As for the rest, anyone who is willing to kill themselves is mentally sick. Doesn’t matter if religious or not. Islam doesn’t say anything about bombing yourself. Sick people started brainwashing desperate people in order to kill as many people as possible.
And Jesus Christ. You go on about how backwards Islam is, yet you think the Mayans were right about the end of the world? That is beyond naive. The Mayans who weren’t able to predict to their own downfall, but they knew when the entire world is going to end? Maybe you should pick up a book that wasn’t written hundreds of years ago.
yes i do hate islam- as every religion. Islam is the fastest spreading and growing religion- sounds like a threat to My FREEDOMS. FREEDOM being the key word..if you dare say islam involves freedom- wow. ask a shiite woman what freedom means to them. It will differ from American freedom drasticlly. but heck, if you like being treated like shit- or treating woman like shit and objects- islams for you.
All religion is shit. It is an outdated method of enforcing morals apon people who have none. In the days where varifying who killed and raped a woman was next to impossible, they had to have a method of making people do right when it was so easy to do wrong. The only good thing about religion is that it offers something more to the lives for those who need it. People who need a greater purpose would be dangerous if they didn’t have one. There is nothing more dangerous than a hopeless person and to quote dexter holland: “You can’t kill a man when he’s got no hope”
For that reason alone I respect religion. If all those people in the turmoil in Isreal didn’t have religion this situation would be a shitload worse.
@...dieAntagonista: Yeah. I would have loved to have been there when they invented the Mayan Calendar. I bet it went like this.
Chief: Serf, make us a calendar to track the sun and the seasons and tell us when to plant potatos.
Serf: Yes sir, just don’t kill me.
(1 month later)
Chief: Serf, you got my calendar ready yet?
Serf: Yes sir. It says the world will end in the year 2012, and plant potatoes after the first new moon.
Chief: 2012!? 2012? The world will end in 4000 winters? That’s terrible news.
Serf: Oh, don’t worry sir. We will be spared.
Chief: Well that’s better.
Serf: Yeah. Because around 1350, a wetback named Cortez is gonna show up and kill everyone on the continent.
“But why don’t they let anyone out of the country or in?”
There’s a wall on the Egyptian border, too. Why doesn’t Egypt allow Palestinians in or out?
Why don’t any Arab countries accept Palestinians refugees? Israel has committed some questionable acts, the Palestinians have been equally mistreated by their own people.
@...reboot:
your shit.
yes i do remember muslims killing themselves befor 9-11. it seemed to happen almost every weekend- isn’t that why your here and not there?
anyways -i really don’t give a fuck about the rest of the world- my small minded views of freedom to all- please read the constitution(which doesn’t relate today- just like the koran) is only a fraction of what humans COULD do-if only we could all get along… peaceout- i’m going home to smoke my homegrown illeagel weeds which my government outlawed. so i will be building rockets to shoot at them- sounds mature right? .
@...reboot:
Sorry.I meant Flappycunt.
@...Flappycunt:
Your shit.
@...Flappycunt: I don’t care what you think of Islam. I know more about Islam than you, and the Muslims lead a peaceful life, as long as their aren’t people who brainwash them and whatnot. How many Muslims do you know? You think you have the right to kill people because you don’t agree with how they live their lives and because they could be a threat to your freedom? Anything could be a threat to your freedom, but only the dirty Muslims seem to be bothering you.
@...reboot: I have not said anything that argues with any of your points. Fact is, everyone is afraid to criticise Israel, but apparently it’s ok to criticise the Palestinians. It was a peaceful country before Israel, so what’s your theory on why this so suddenly changed? Did the Muslims all of the sudden become radical, just like that?
That post had some power.
@...dieAntagonista: When people talk like you, I wince. Not because you’re flat out wrong– you’re not. To pretend the Israelis are innocent simply because of the methods of fighting of the Palestinians is stupid.
But to pretend the Palestinians are right or that they haven’t been extremists in the face of political pressure, or that they haven’t put stupid political machinations over the lives of their people, or because they have what is at this point an obsession with a plot of land that only harms, ever greater, their chances of actually get said land back, is also false.
This conflict is the very definition of the motif of a ‘war that has gone on so long no one knows why it started’. Every day new reasons are created to KEEP fighting, and justify joining the fray, but does anyone really actually have a coherent point to make besides, “NUH UH, YOU started it” at this juncture?
We need to leave. ALL the other countries need to leave. Let them realize that nobody’s watching them to make sure one side or the other doesn’t get destroyed, take away their safety net. Let them do what they’ve always wanted, give them the opportunity; either iron out some desperate agreement, or turn the whole region into a fucked-to-death burning pile of shit.
@the3g_ipwn:
Thanks for lulz
@Flappycunt:
Pls shut the hell up before I track you down via the intertubes and make you eat your own weight in fecal matter, you stupid, arrogant, closedminded ignorant piece of human waste! God I wish you were in the rubbel of some of the buildings the IDF bombed, instead of some 4 y.o. innocent girl!!
………………… 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10… nope, still pissed
@...ieattime20: I’m sorry. Yes I hate myself for writing like that.
And again, I haven’t said anything that claims different than what you said. But Flappycunt acts like they deserve this because they’re Muslims. It made me angry.
Over 60% of the Palestinians want peace, rather than have Palestine back again. I know Palestine wasn’t perfect and that they did have issues. But ever since Israel things have changed so drastically. And the one thing that bothers me is that it’s obvious that nobody dares to criticise Israel. Only Palestinians. Israel has broken human right laws and more, I can’t stress that enough. But WHY doesn’t mass media report that?
Jews lived in peace with Muslims before Israel. Israel is a Zionist country and any Jew who is true to themselves, like myself, would never support Israel. But like I said, I don’t care. If Israel must be, then let it be. But to criticise the Palestinians just because they’re Muslims is beyond outrageous.
@...dieAntagonista: Oh, plenty of people criticise Israel, just few people that live in the USA and Britain. A quick look at history tells you why. And few people in countries like France or Egypt do much BUT criticise Israel.
I renounce the idea that this war is at base religious. Religion only hurts, but the primary cause is political. How do I know that? Your statistic about Palestinians is pretty low, actually. More than 60% want peace. More than 60% of Israeli people also want peace, a pull out of the region and only to occupy their small, original state. The governments don’t listen.
The same thing happens here; 70% or more of Americans want the US to stop supplying Israel with war gear and start mediating peace treaties. The government doesn’t listen. It’s politics.
It’s only worse for Palestine because, and this is my only critique of the religion of Islam, their government is inherently religious and oligarchal, and so the inevitable shitty, shitty politicians are able to meld their political goals with the deeper-rooted power of religion to compel people. “Don’t vote for X because X is good for the country; vote for X because God/Allah/Jesus wants it that way.” Instead of, “You don’t want to be on the losing side of this election do you?” you have “You don’t want to be on the opposite side from God do you?”
@...ieattime20: Well I haven’t heard much of that criticism you’re talking about. And mass media has been suppressing a lot of information, like it or not. All I get to hear is, radical Muslims this, radical Muslims that.
60% may seem low, but it’s more than what most people think and that’s really all I meant. People like Flappycunt think all Palestinians want war because they’re Muslims and whatnot, this was the only thing really that got me angry.
As for the rest, yes I agree exactly. That’s why I said in the beginning, it’s politics. Obviously, religious politicians are a nightmare, but it’s still politics.
Nice pics.
Fact: assholes have been fighting over that land for millennia.
I believe they will fight over it for many years to come.
@Flappycunt: I laugh every time I see your name but I do have to say you may be the village idiot. Perhaps You should pick up a sword and shield and go on a crusade to rape and pillage the holy land in the name of retardation and all interweb tough guys.
I’m way too late to the shitstorm, but there are a lot of cool Muslims out there that are very laid back. Just like there are crazy Christians, there are also crazy Muslims, and both give a bad name to the easy going normal ones.
Also, like reboot said, Egypt is also sitting there letting people suffer. No issue is ever black & white.
@...dieAntagonista: I didn’t mean to argue any of your points. Mostly add that Israel isn’t the only entity responsible for the Palestinians’ suffering.
“It was a peaceful country before Israel, so what’s your theory on why this so suddenly changed? Did the Muslims all of the sudden become radical, just like that?”
The fall of the Ottoman Empire (1918) and the subsequent partitioning of the Middle East by European powers had a lot to do with it. This really isn’t a thousand year old conflict, its really only been going on since the last century
Fuck Isreal.
All praise ALLAH.
Some one has to balance this shit.
@...reboot: Yeah I see what you mean. Well but the media doesn’t seem to have any problem with reporting what Egypt does, or no?
And yeah that’s true also, but it’s undeniable that it’s since Israel that Muslims went batshit insane like that. Most people act like Palestinians have a problem with Israel just because of the Jews, which is nonsense. Since, like I mentioned, they lived in peace together, before Israel.
Dammit, guys… I was trying really hard to turn this into a “YOU’RE AN ASSHOLE ARRPIE!” fest… *sigh* But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO political debate. Tiki would so disapointed.
@...nobody knows: Asshole. You made me laugh.
@...dieAntagonista:
You call me asshole i suicide bomb you.
@...nobody knows: Haha, you know, sometimes I wish I was a little more like you.
Fuck this. I say we dust off, Nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Fuck Isreal!
Fuck Palestine!
The circle of violence continues.
Both sides are to blame.
I’ll say this much: Israel has shown remarkable restraint. They have the capability to really wreck shop, so to speak, on quite a few of the countries surrounding them, yet they mostly choose not to despite the fact that they’re attacked on a very frequent basis.
Did anybody else notice that the guy is standing in front of a morgue refrigerator? From the positon of his hand, he’s about to opent it. That’s a pretty powerful photograph, especially in context with the others.
War sucks but it’s what we do.
There isn’t anything we can do about this. Arguing over this is the same as any internet fight, it’s like winning the special olympics, sure you got a medal, but you still have downs.
Settle it once and for all.
ROCK, PAPER, SCISSORS for the holy land.
More pics of stuff in mid-destruction, please!
Fuck all of you Palestinian sympathizers. How come everyone gets all pissed when non-Muslims kick the shit out of some Muslims, but no one gives two shits when Muslims blow the shit out of other Muslim children? Everyone can say what they want about Israel but they should have put the beat down on Palestine sooner. How many Israelis have been killed by rockets and suicide bombers form Palestine since 2000? No one wants to talk about that do they? It’s easier to get after the Zionists isn’t it? As to say the Israelis took the land from the Palestinians is all fucked up to. Islam came around after the Jews and Christians had been in place there in Israel. As far as that goes maybe the Greeks, Egyptians and Italians (Romans) should go kick the shit out of Palestine as well. After all they once “owned†the land as well. The only reason people are so worked up about Israel being “created†and Palestinians being “bullied†is because it’s within current history. In two thousand years no one will give a fuck.
@...Flappycunt:
you are made of fail
I say nuke Israel and 90% of conflicts in the middle east will stop
@...nobody knows: Thanks, I consider myself the shit! @...KommissarKvC: The answer is “UnwrittenLaw’s Coffin Text”
as for the rest of you whom oppose me?
Infidels!!!
I am the next marter! I am the Next JESUS I am ALLAH! I am GOD!
(but tiki runs this shit)
Muslim Matrimonial Site above- Thats what i want- my wife to be killed for marrying an ifidel. AWSOME! RELIGION IS SO COOL!
“infidel”
PROUD Infidel. 😀
@...ieattime20: i notice you ask that why the media is not posting shit that needs to be posted, it’s pretty simple the media is like a dictatorship(don’t concentrate to hard or else you will miss the point). but in a democratic way.if they want to have food and roof over themselves. they will show what the “higher” people who are paying them wants the world to see. about the government in the USA. they don’t care about your needs what they are in for is the paper. that’s all
@...Flappycunt: as for your freedom, it’s no better than the freedom of others in Israel. you see your just being lied to, but over there not, just that they don’t hide all the truth. but where you reside, just taking advantage of you. you think that wielding a gun and having a voice to talk is freedom? come on, get a better education system. If YOU had freedom the government would stop supplying arms to Israel. If YOU had freedom any corrupted government would be overthrown *snap* don’t talk about freedom if you don’t have it. Real Freedom is having 100% of the cake but your just getting 50% of the cake but being just tricked into thinking that you have complete. But i must apologize i cannot blame you, it is wrong to blame a uneducated man. if you want some freedom, go to the mountains those 2nd world countries where they don’t have pc or government everyday you will work for your food and shelter. but now in this era you or nobody will ever have complete freedom.it threatens the government and they don’t want to be overthrown. they want to remain in power. and you’re right which proves that I’m right government WILL fuck you. and right now THEY ARE FUCKING YOU and you cannot do shit about it. why? cause you don’t have to freedom you think you have.
@...ieattime20: you are right.
first quote was for dieAntagonista my bad