In the Kimberley, a remote region in Northwestern Australia, there was a Wandjina Art Period that dates from as far back as 40,000 B.C.E. to about 2000 B.C.E.
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Profound evidence that ancient cultures suck at art.
(Yes, once again diabeetus has scored the coveted “First Douche” trophy.)
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What exactly makes it a “space man”? Looks like a fat aboriginal man.
@Alec
Gloves, hood, collar, lenses, tubes coming from back… almost looks like an Eskimo. Maybe the outback was really damn cold back in the day.
Well, it’s clear enough from the lines at the cuff and wrists, that he’s wearing something. The gloves are obvious, and one could argue that the head dress is depicting a helmet. The real tell all is the cable attached at his shoulder. That is irrefutable, but what did it really mean to the artist? Did he see an extra terrestrial dressed like this? Or was there an ancient Wandgina Space Program? Did they strap this guy into a giant Trebuchet and aim celestial north? Who knows.
Drooves, I suggest we reinstate the giant trebuchet facing celestial north program (or GTFCNP for short). We’ll get that eccentric British guy who flings VWs across his back yard to assist us.
Now… any volunteers?
Some douchebag in the future created a time machine and had some fun with it.
thatvideosite.com/video/2374
Visual symbolism is mainly arbitrary and entirely culturally conditioned.
There’s no “arguing” about what a piece of imagery represents. You have to interpret it in the light of cultural context.
Let me put it to you this way: Do you think that someone who had never heard of Christianity or Read the Bible would understand the meaning of a picture of a blood-covered Jesus on a Cross?
When Christians first came to China, the Chinese thought they were worshipping an indistinct God of death, or possibly a rebirth god.
Looked it up: Lot’s of Chinese who first encountered Christians assumed that it was some odd cult of Yama, based on the death symbolism.
Unless you know anything about the aboriginals who made that, refrain from making retardo assumptions.
Praise be to Nurgle and his pestilence.
its the abo god of gas huffing. he has tubes leads the petrol directly into his face.
But Caio, sometimes it’s just fun to guess!
The eye piercings are the best!
It is an astronaut. Can’t you see he is screaming because that thing from the Alien is coming out of his chest
Caio: No one was assuming anything. We wouldn’t want to offend your delicate omniscience. Instead, I think we were just chatting about what it ‘could’ have been or meant to the original artist. Or does free thought offend you as well?
Silence, the mighty Caio does not approve!
A better question would be how would Caio analyze this image. He’s got an enormous amount of info on foreign cultures and history so I’d like to know, given what he may know about the aboriginals, what this image may have meant to them.
Can’t say I know a whole lot about ancient australians. Google an archaeology or anthropology book about that or something or something.
Mr. Dooves, shut the fuck up. Have you face Ottawa with a flag and recited ‘oh Canada’ five times today, yet?
Also: Speculation turns into a telephone game of truth. Say you tell your friend about how the abos might have carved an aliens, then they tell a friend and suddenly you’ve got a theme park in switzerland where a guy calling himself “prophet” explains through roller-coasters how aliens created humans:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Park
Oh man, they called it a “cultural Chernobyl”. I can’t imagine why the place folded…
Well Caio, apparently I’ve seeded within you a distinct hatred of Canadian nationalism. You bring it up every time I post… whether its pertinent or not. Is something bothering you? Do you want a hug?
I’m not sure who’s a bigger twit?
Caio who thinks he’s black on the inside or Mr Dooves who thinks video taping his friends and chopping it together on a Mac makes him a film maker?
If you two fucked I bet your kid would look like that picture up there.
Lets all embrace the mighty Caio’s words of wisdom. “Never speculate”…. jesus. You should run for office.
The way the photo’s been turned to relief does make the natural stone erosion incorporated into the figure look like a tube, Mr Dooves, and the people who paint and carve the Wandjina believe, just as Erik Von Daniken did of his charioteers, that they came from the stars. In Aboriginal culture, the Wandjina were creator gods of the Dreamtime, not aliens who came and accelerated human culture and then left (Chariots of the Gods). The tube isn’t part of the way the figures are represented – usually they have no ‘tubes’. I guess Von Daniken wasn’t exactly original, just good at fitting that ancient human stargazing wonder to modern obsession with aliens. The relief grey doesn’t do the figure justice – they look beautiful in their natural earthy hues on rock walls. One thing about the Wandjina is they didn’t need to speak, being so powerful, so have no mouths.
I like this short article: www.abc.net.au/news/arts/articulate/200701/s1821954.htm
Oh and shame the theme park closed – I’d enjoy it, even if I think Von Daniken’s a bit good at making 1 = 1 = eleventy.
Oooh, Magnus. We were starting to wonder when you’d get involved. No inane senseless mud slinging is complete without you.
@Brevity: Careful, Caio warns against speculation. It borders on independent thought.
But seriously, its nice to see someone who actually wants to trade knowledge and ideals, instead of insults.
Oh but Mr Dooves, Caio knows I know a little about the beliefs of the people who’ve lived here so long before my rapacious tribe arrived.
Thank you, though I have to admit I’m only 95% polite (I do tend to leave the mudslinging to you professionals) and the rest subtle insult (or not so subtle), and am quite curious how nice to me you’ll remain when you discover that I think Caio’s a Canadian National Treasure 😀
Caio is a member of the rebel alliance, and a traitor! Take him away. ‘he isn’t actually canadian, he just lives here’
I detect a space theme there.
I think it’s a tricky thing to be anti-Nationalistic and to express appreciation for one’s surrounds and culture, but place is what gives a person so much identity and belonging, so it’s worth traversing that razor’s edge. I think a bit of that’s going on.
Dooves there is no such thing as “Canadian Nation”. A nation is a group of people with a common history, language, and culture. Canada has two official ones and hundreds of unofficial ones, most Canadian families immigrated here in the last 100 years. And officially we’re “multicultural” in the most broad way possible.
The Blackfoot are a nation. The Mohawk are a Nation. The Nisga’a are a Nation. The non-natives are people from foreign nations who’ve displaced themselves for a chance at being parasitic on stolen land.
The less legitimacy, the more Nationalistic?
Anyway, just a thought, I’ll leave you guys to it.
National Treasure doesn’t fit then! ‘I like him, he’s alright with me’ will suffice.
@...Caio: You all play hockey, right? If that isn’t enough to make a nation, I don’t know what is.
Hey Caio,
Where are those “Native”‘s cities?
Oh that’s right…they never did shit with their so called land.
So fuck them.
Because this land may be full of immigrants but this country was built by white people. No combating that.
A nation such as Canada is a nation. We have a history and have accomplished more as a people than all of Africa ever did.
Its not how long you’ve been around. It’s what you do while you’re here.
Suck that one down deep little miss history faggot.
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Natives of the BC coast had cities bigger than London in the year 1600.
Iroquois and Huron had rather large towns and cities as well – maybe not as big as London, but quite big:
www.canadianheritage.org/images/large/10071.jpg
The only significant thing to come out of Africa was Africans. Oh and yeah, the rest of the human population as well.
And before you start, Magnus, those cities were emptied and destroyed not by European cunning but by European disease. There’s no pride in being the ones with the most diseases.
@...nyokki: That along with AIDS.
nyokki,
Its only theory that all mankind came from Africa.
Basically it hasn’t been proven but it seems like the best theory so far. Doesn’t make it true though.
Caio,
That’s not a city. It’s a collection of huts.
They had no infrastructure. They had nothing. By that logic any commune is a city.
There was no progression beyond a point they reached way before Europeans arrived and introduced civilization and progress.
I hate the whining civil servant types who jack off to pictures of crying indians. Those people are backwards little shits who should have had their funding cut long ago. Equal rights for all. no exceptions.
Or should people who can claim ancestry in England now be given an allowance by the government that new citizens don’t get?
Oh and no Caio, they were destroyed by cunning and intelligence.
The disease factor was a bonus of European’s evolution above the point Indians had reached. Darwinism.
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Oh yeah, AIDS…so there, Magnus.:P That’s plenty for one continent.
Here’s an interesting article on why (possibly) no native diseases wiped out the less numerous Europeans.
media.newscientist.com/article/mg13618424.700-how-columbus-sickened-the-new-world-why-were-nativeamericans-so-vulnerable-to-the-diseases-european-settlers-brought-with-them.html
It is more than possible that the Europeans realized how badly their diseases affected native populations and used it, along w/ cunning and intelligence to help effect their conquests.
Interestingly the “big cities” and “cunning intelligence” and “better weapons” argument is fairly achronistic. It only appeared in the late 18th century, after a good deal of the continent had been taken.
When the whites were actually defeating the Natives, they mainly attributed their victories, and disease, to the fact that they prayed to the right god whereas the natives prayed to demons.
Also, before 1755, most white people believed that natural disasters couldn’t happen to Christians.
Wow Caio.
Did the time traveler who wrote the book you read that in have a name you fuckign git?
If anything they would have thought it was because of God because it was just so damned easy.
How do you beat a group of people who are so inherently retarded they’re pretty much already beat?
@magnus, yeah, its only a theory that mankind came from africa…..a theory that is unequivocally and irrefutably supported by the fossil record. Also, Caio=greatness.
fossil record? lol
That’s theory kiddo.
You = lose.
It is EASILY disputed and has been disproved more than its been proven.
“unequivocally and irrefutably supported”
No. Wrong. Sorry. lol. much.
Caio = moron.
Where does the line of thinking come from that says: people from before our time were idiots and believed in superstitious nonsense more than we do and were not capable of advanced thought. They had the same brains we do. The only thing I see as different is that we have more known history than they did. Obviously that’s a big advantage, but there’s no reason to suppose they were incapable of being as rational as we think ourselves to be. Most people never believed in the “flat earth”, or the other maps made for religious purposes. They knew it was exactly that…religious. Certainly no one who ever needed to use a map would use one of them. As far as I can tell, the average person of a few hundred (maybe even few thousand) held their religious beliefs about as high as we do.
Magnus you are approaching archaeology like a Creationist. There are a lot of theories about the spread of early man, but all of them put Africa as a starting point. All of them.
Seriously, though, I want you to keep promoting the ‘we’re better because we’re scientists also all science is wrong. It’s just a “theory”‘
You’re starting to sound like WBC and I want you to continue because I like what it’s affecting how people think about you.
By the by, the european-origin theory depends on the fact that Neanderthal is a subspecies of human, Homo sapiens neandertalis, which interbreeded with the African-oringin Homo sapiens to make a mixed breed, ie modern man Homo sapiens sapiens.
However, geneticists have now conclusively proved that this theory is absolutely wrong. Using absolute FACTS.
So your THEORY has been abandoned by legitimate scientists and archaeologists.
It hasn’t been abandoned by insane neo-nazis though.
@...mAgnUS BUTTfoorson:
“They never did shit with their land”, well … “How long have Aborigines been in Australia? The answer commonly given is 40,000 years. Depending on which evolutionist is telling the story though, it could be 50,000 or 60,000 yearsâ€â€or even longer.”
They did selectively burn the bush to suit their needs. They survived and lived well in places you’d die in a few days, tops.
And in the last 200 odd we white folk have impacted the land in ways it may never recover from.
“Ownership” of land and finite resources rather than coexisting with nature and respecting it for the life it gives has been a destructive mindset, and is not one to laud as ‘superior’ when clearly it does so much harm.
Facts are provable, Caio.
Using the word doesn’t make something a fact.
You need to be able to provide proof. Correlation is not proof. Its bullshit used to fool morons like you.
@...Brevity Truta:
Abos never did sweet fuck all in terms of progression. They never did any harm? Not on purpose. They’re just too stupid to do anything that ever could. lol
Absolute genetic proof that Humans aren’t descended from Neanderthals is proof enough for me, man.
Also, progress towards what?
It would be a good debate if Magnus wasn’t overloading my stupid-ometer. Involentary drooling whenever I read his posts.
@...MrDooves:
You’re kidding right?
Fuckhead you’re about as swift and a bag of dog shit.
Your videos are just fucking embarrassing.
And all you do is fucking whine.
@...Caio:
Absolute genetic proof?
LOL
Gooood bye any remaining respect anyone might have mistakenly had for you.
What you’re looking at is the again judgment based on correlation I spoke of earlier. I’m not saying it’s an incorrect theory. But it’s not right either. It doesn’t get to be right just because it can’t be proven wrong.
And progress towards what?
A time where we have a genuine understanding of our origins with provable (through repetition would be nice) FACTS that can in turn give the species some direction as to where it should be going.
That’s um…kinda the point of existence in general for sentient self aware organisms.
I guess they don’t teach that when you’re memorizing useless history bites that could bore the slime off a snails asshole.
The artist was beamed a vision of the movie Alien during a dream as some result of a freak solar storm or other cosmic event. Pictured people from space in suits with things bursting from holes in their chests the only reason we don’t see the hand crab type things is because everyone just assumed they were retarded spiders because we have some many of the fricken things here anyway