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“Dangerous dog” my ass, I think I could get all “Michael Vick” on it and kick it’s ass (that is, if I didn’t have a soul).
The only dangerous thing about these dogs are the cretins that abuse them into being vicious individual animals. Even Vick’s egregiously maltreated dogs are recovering nicely — see www.bestfriends.org/vickdogs/.
A gun isn’t dangerous either until the wrong person gets a a hold of it.
Those dogs are disgusting and should be eradicated. I don’t care what sob story you have about your ‘pit’. The only reason anyone has that breed over another is because they’re a weak little retard who needs to fill the gaping hole in their ego left by their lack of education, money, and their below average sized genitals.
Be a fucking adult and get a normal dog that hasn’t demonstrated on many MANY occasions a propensity for unprovoked violence specifically towards small children.
As usual, Magnus is speaking from his heart rather than his head, but that’s OK, the rest of us can easily see the difference between uninformed personal opinion and reality…
Reality is I’m right. Those dogs turn. A lot. Once is too much and there’s a plethora of video evidence to support that. So why have it over another breed? Use your head and give me one single good reason.
Inform me. Educate me so I’m not “ignint” about why people get these dogs other than the reasons stated above.
There is no good reason to let these dogs live. There are plenty of other breeds who don’t snap like a twig at any given time due to any number of variables and then go running after kids intent on killing them.
Actually, Magnus, I don’t think you’re ignorant of the facts at all and I agree with your colorful assessment of the reason why so many (the majority?) of pit bull owners are pathetically compensating for something. I just don’t agree that fact justifies euthanizing individual dogs on sight without knowing anything of their individual behavior, let alone eliminating an entire breed, just because of the moronic behavior of their owners. Sort of like your point in #3 with respect to the “behavior” of guns versus the tiny minority of idiots who use them to destructive ends…
Comment by mAgnUS BUTTfoorson:
“Those dogs turn. A lot. Once is too much and there’s a plethora of video evidence to support that.”
What about humans that ‘turn’ and randomly kill people? There’s LOADS of evidence that humans will randomly go and start shooting people, or run random people over, or just start killing with whatever they have. Small children, big children, they don’t care.
I really can’t see any reason that we’re different from what you just described aside from the “Rawr humans aren’t animals!” argument which is pretty idiotic considering humans are, in fact, animals as described by the scientific community.
But hey, you’re just a crazy nut-job with a computer. What harm could YOU do, right? 😀
Eugenics was supposed to take care of the scenario you posited.
Per humans being animals…we are…but we’re cognitively self aware sentient beings. That’s the operative variable distinguishing us from everyone and thing else. So there is still no point made for keeping these byproducts of selecting inbreeding around.
selective…sorry
@Guswut: I don’t know what I think about this, but I will say that no population of humans has been wilfully and carefully bread to kill everything.
The way to test a litter in the past was to have the owner take a butcher’s knife to one dog as the dog attacked its target. For hundreds of years pitbulls have been designed designed to kill without any sense of self-preservation.
My point being that vicious murderers are the rare exceptions in civilized societies, whereas Pitbulls are literally meant to kill and nothing else. This isn’t some natural breed or something, these are freaks created by humans.
these dogs do have a tendancy to attack, particularly smaller animals. Individual animals do show individual attitudes, which can be affected by their environment (i.e their owners etc) but all animals belonging to a species, or in the case of selective breeding, belonging to a ‘breed’ share common behavioural traits due to physiological and morphological similarities. Sort of siding with you, mAgnUS, but i think killing these animals outright clashes with your last statement…we are cognatively self-aware…we’re also aware that killing is wrong
Shit, if you think these dogs are dangerous (I breeded several generations of AKC pits, all turned out to be great dogs), you should try owning a Pomeranian… THOSE are the violent dogs, they’ll bite and hold on; granted they’re not as powerful as pits, but far more evil
Magnus, when you actually own a pit, then you can talk. Otherwise, you’re just farting in the wind.
lol
you “breeded” them did you?
Your honour…I’d like to call my next witness. A Mr. purple banana.
Until you learn English and lay off the commas you can save your opinion. Nobody cares what a retard has to say.
@youoxymoron
I guess killing them all would get messy. Sterilizing all existing ones though makes sense.
Caio makes a good point. And Aus Butt, though I can’t argue your facts, I disagree with your conclusion.
It is true that pitbulls have been systematically bred for aggression by humans, however the mass euthanasia solution is no different from the Gun Control lobby’s “Take away all the guns” solution.
Even if you managed to get every single one, some enterprising human will breed a new “fighting dog” from a different strain of bulldog…
The dog isn’t the problem. It’s the people…
I hate black people.
lol…….wait, what?
It’s funny that this debate has come up tonight.
Since I just got home from visiting a friend who’s house sitting – and pet sitting – 4 pit bulls and a Doberman.
And every single one of those dogs I met tonight were amazing. All of them friendly and affectionate – I spent most of the day dodging ‘face snipes’ – them all trying to lick my face.
Even Chance – who used to be a fighting dog, and is a rescue – was overjoyed and affectionate.
Ban the deed, not the breed.
Take a look at cocker spaniels. They are one of the most vicious dog breeds out there – but -they- don’t get the bad rap that pits do, because they can’t do as much damage. (and never mind that the media seems to have it out for pits!)
I also grew up with an Akita – one of the dog breeds on the top ten most dangerous dogs list – and he was the biggest teddy bear of a dog that I’ve ever had the pleasure to know.
I will say this: From a biological and coevolutionary standpoint, each individual dog grows with it’s owner. It’s a known fact that many dogs who are with owners longer, learn their owner’s tendencies. It is also a fact that the number of known abuse cases is increasing. Those facts, in addition to the facts that abusive owners are fairly seclusive, leads abused dogs to believe that humans in general are like thier owner. It is only until they are conditioned otherwise, and the trust factor is rebuilt, that a dog will recover and become fairly non-violent.
Dog breeds like pits, rotwielers, German shepherds, etc. were bred for purposes of aggression and can therefore do more damage to humans, which give them more of a bad rep. However, these dogs are also more susceptible to change with human interaction because they were bred to ineract with thier owners and ONLY their owners.
No ban the breed.
Nobody has given one reason to have one of these atrocities over another breed.
You didn’t have to point out at all of them were friendly and affectionate. It’s implied by you typing since if they’d been otherwise you’d be dead. Or giving a police report about the strange 180 one of those big misunderstood mfers did when it clamped down on some kid’s neck and wouldn’t let go.
You’d have had just an ideal day with 4 Sheppards and a Doberman.
Cocker Spaniels are not one of the most vicious breeds by any stretch. In terms of temperament Shina Ibus and Tibetan Mountain dogs are nasty but they’re also intelligent and maintain their training. Pitbulls are unstable.
I think of Pitbulls as being like big dumb retards. Sure the big dumb retard is harmless and even kind of fun to play with. But one day the big dumb retard is too hot or his back hurts and when you say hello he snaps…your neck. Now instead of the retard you have a dog and instead of it being you it’s someone’s kid.
sorry was typing @... the same time as 3dge
Per edge’s statement:
No Pitbulls are different. There is always a strong element of nature that often nullifies any amount of nurture.
Plus dogs imitating their owners is not so much a fact (which implies provable scientific process) as it is correlation. That’s a fact for psych where nothing is ever provable.
German Sheppards, Dobermans, and Rotwielers are all intelligent breeds not bred for aggression. They were bred for protection. German Sheppards are one of the most intelligent dogs around. “Pits” are mongrel animals that are so heavily inbred they’re about as smart as a bag of dirt.
I’m spinning wheels. There’s no reason to have a pitbull other than the reasons I stated earlier. I’m glad they’re being banned in a lot of cities.
Woah wtf 3dge we are not talking about German shepherds. German shepherds can have aggressive tendencies but they can be friendly too. They are bred to tend sheep and thus there is a real gentleness to them. Hell my neighbours in my old house had a friendly old German Shepherd that wouldn’t hurt a fly.
Pitbulls on the other hand were bred for dogfights. Not even defence but just to fight other dogs to the death. And that is pretty much their attitude towards life.
Fuck ALL dog breeders. Every so-called breed of dog is a inbred, genetic monstrosity against nature. There’s already so many unwanted pets that we have to put them to sleep by the truck load. Every single dog breeder is personally responsible for the animals that have to be put down.
The best dog for a pet is a Heinz-57 mutt.
@... caio
I was just giving a few examples of a dog bred for a purpose. On your not that they can be friendly, so can pitbulls.
@... Magnus
To be honest dude only a few people actually NEED a dog in this day and age. The people who really need them like the blind, guard dogs, etc., those people choose dogs of specific breeds. Yes this does support your argument that the breed is unnecessary, but then again you could use the same argument for dogs like shitzus and chiuauas and so on. They are just show dogs or pets ( I mean seriously, chiuauas are freaking rats that have only had one use in a few commercials for taco bell). Pointless unless you have no life but dogs. My point, instead of rambling on here, is that I can see the sides of both arguments, but no solution. Taking it case by case would be far too tedious and costly to handle, and sterilizing all of them wouldn’t be too feasible unless you feel like denying people a pet or a job (meaning breeders) and paying for all the drugs for it. Plus I know I’d go psycho if my nuts got snipped or were chemically sterilized. The dogs might too (total joke). All said, this argument is moot.
*note
The problem is not with each dog in itself. It is with the people who purchase large breed dogs and are not physically strong enough to train them properly. Case in point, I have a friend with a 120 lb. pit who weighs about the same herself. She can’t control the dog when it gets hyped up. People should only own animals they can handle.
ITS NOT THE OWNERS. THE DOGS ARE INBRED AND STUPID.
No one is macho enough to ‘train’ a “pit”. That’s like saying you’re big and tough enough to teach a retard long division.
The problem is stupid people buy pitbulls. Now you have the tarded leading the tarded.
@3dge:
Dogs aren’t useless if they don’t serve you. They’re pets. They’re company and they’re for companionship. They can certainly serve much more of a purpose than free labour. Operative point being they won’t blow a fuse like a fucking hillbilly on a roid rage and go after your throat. A pitbull is quite likely to.
@The Matrix: Rebooted:
Not all dogs are inbred. Breeders register and certify dogs and have for a long long time deliberately to avoid inbreeding in more pure breeds. Pitbulls were never given that care of consideration and are only popular now and a problem because weak little people need to compensate for being weak little people. Someone else’s issues should not put me or anyone else at risk.
redlolita ask your friend why she chose that dog over another much more intelligent and quality breed of dog.
Dagnabbit Aus Butt…
Your making too much sense. Stop it. It makes you too difficult to argue with…
The “tarded leading the tarded” was a good illustration. The effects of generation after generation of uncontrolled aggression focused breeding (at the expense of all else) is something that cannot be ignored.
Unfortunately people see pics like the one above and are too ignorant about them to realize the nature of animal they are getting. Perhaps a better solution would be to educate people about why pitbulls are different from other dogs.
If everybody were to realize how inhumanely bred a pitbull is, perhaps people will stop getting them, and there will be less of a motivation for breeders to breed them.
That should, in theory, leave all but the most hard core dog fighters breeding them, and they can all go to jail for pitbull trafficking as far as I’m concerned…
tl;dr except: “So there is still no point made for keeping these byproducts of selecting inbreeding around.”
in actuality, if you knew anything at all about dogs, you’d know that the most likely dog to be inbred on the planet is a golden retriever. another fact: more boxers and labradors bite than pit bulls on a yearly basis.
pit bulls are great dogs. you can argue it all you want, but it’s true. people who own guns have them for the same reason you claim people own pit bulls, but your government doesn’t do a damn thing about that, right?
what kills more people?
now hush. let the adults talk.
Good points, I do know there are many breeds of dogs that have genetic predispositions to congenital diseases like canine hip dysplasia in bulldogs and so on. Wasn’t aware of the problem as related to golden retrievers but it makes sense.
I guess the bigger issue is one of there being better controls on the breeding of dogs in general, and education the public about which dogs they should be wary of, rather than singling out a specific breed…
silverflux
My government doesn’t allow guns you twat. I’m Canadian.
In actuality pitbulls bite more people in North America than any other breed. In actuality they are the most likely to be inbred than any other breed in history especially since they pretty much have been kept out of any certification or record books much longer than any other breed. In actuality you probably have to take a second every morning while you try and figure out how to brush your teeth with your head up your ass.
More Boxers and Labs bite people? What bullshit site or magazine did you rip that from? That’s pure bullshit.
Pitbulls are terrible animals and the fact that you’ve tried to cite fictitious stats to back your claim only supports my view even further.
“…pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question.”
“Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996….[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities.”
source:
www.dogbitelaw.com
So how about you keep your blabbering tard-talk to yourself. But thanks for playing, asshole.
…adults talk…suck my nuts, prick.
Sheesh AUS. Tell us how you really feel… No, really… ROFL…
Most people know absolutely nothing about how dogs think, and what they need to function in a household happily and safely.
Most people treat them like at least semi-humans, which is stupid when the pet is a shi tzu, and downright chilling when it’s a pit bull.
If you’re using brute force on a dog, you’ve lost, may as well put the lead around your neck and roll over.
Pit bulls don’t let go. They *are* bred to bite and hold, no matter what. Good luck to retards that think such an animal when treated semi-human won’t treat any kids around as subordinate pack members. And bite if the occasion demands it. That’s any dog.
Get a dog with a soft mouth, one that’s been bred for birding, people with kids. Please. And treat it like a dog, for everyone’s sake.
Poor neurotic dogs. So many of ’em.
I’m curtious Magnus. Have you ever OWNED a pitbull? I do, as a matter of fact shes a rescue from people who were trying to fight her, and she got beat up because she wouldnt fight. Its the same concept of the wrong person with a handgun, and the wrong person with one of these animals, have you not noticed that ciaos, golden retrievers, poodles and dalmatians have more reported attacks then pitbulls? The only reason that pitbulls get more attention is because retards like yourself go “oh they should all be euthanized because theyre bad” tell me, do you spend all of your time with your head in the sand? look through out history man, theyre have been pitbulls in history, look up SGT. Stubbs asshole. Because if the day comes when you get your way, and these dogs are to be euthanized on sight, the rest of us, with our pitbulls, will fight you every step of the way, violently if necessary.
Magnus has posted that he has changed his mind on the pitbull.