When the Senate just voted whether to grant telephone companies immunity from prosecution from the illegal wiretapping they did, Obama voted against immunity, McCain voted in favor of it, and Clinton didn’t bother to vote at all.
So compared to the other 67 senators who are willing to sell-out your constitutional rights, Obama is looking pretty ok. I voted for him at caucus on Saturday. Sauce
While there has been fawning coverage of Barack Obama, the MSM has given him a pass on his paper-thin record and ignored the fact that he was a less than mediocre legislator in Illinois. Now many conservatives have attacked Obama for being a typical liberal. I beg to differ. His voting record indicates far more squeamish and radical views than the rest of the Democrat party.
– He voted against filtering pornography on school and library computers and he voted for sex education for kindergarten children through the 5th grade.
– In 1999 he was the only Illinois State Senator to vote against a bill barring early release for (criminal) sex offenders.
– In February 2004, his wife, Michelle, sent out a fundraising letter, which actually stated her concern over the rise of conservatism in the Country, and that the ‘so-called’ partial-birth abortion was a legitimate medical procedure that should be protected.
And more….
On points 1 and 3 I agree with Obama in full. On point two, I’m afraid I’m going to have to trust the legislation itself over some blog. So here’s all the Illinois legislation in 1999 regarding sex offenders, with full text:
Seriously, I looked and looked. I’m not a lawyer specializing in Illinois criminal law so maybe I missed something, but there doesn’t appear to have been any Illinois law in 1999 regarding the sentencing of sexual predators, only the registration of released sexual predators, specifically in relation to those from other States or Countries that have arrived in Illinois, an act which Obama did vote for. So actually that thing you posted, Iddq, is the exact opposite of true.
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As for that blog: lol. First off, all the links lead to adds. They look like they link to sources, but no. No primary sources. It also seems to take a pretty strong stand against abortion for a guy who headlines his blogs with ‘limited government’. My understanding of the legal philosophy behind limited government is that when a topic is controversial, the government takes the action which would have the least effect on the public (ie, no legislation). Spending most of your blog actively petitioning to ban something is the exact opposite of limited government. Is today opposite day in the USA and not Canada? Because we seem to be living in crazy opposite land quite a bit, here, don’t we, Iddq?
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Way to fail again, Iddq.
How did I fail when you already failed yourself by saying that you support exposing children to adult pornography and for killing innocent babies through botched up abortions.
And you basically said you support Obama for giving full anonymity for sexual predators as well.
Independents and moderates in this country won’t like the sound of this kind of Obama my dear friend.
1) I don’t really care about porn. Guess what? Adults have sex. I used to live in a country where you’d see full-frontal nudity all the time on TV and noone giggled and got uncomfortable.
2) I don’t support big government. Abortion is a controversial issue, and in controversial issues the government should not interfere. I personally find all abortion repulsive, but at the current time, it’s just not the place of the State to do anything about it.
3) Read closer. Victims get anonymity, so that kids that have already been buttfucked aren’t made into a media circus and thus don’t get their lives ruined more. The other bit of legislation was a registry programme, so all neighbours, etc, of a sexual predator convicted out of state know what a creep he is and ostracize him. Learn to read, fag.
4) Moderate/Independent Americans? Hahaha hahahahhahahaha
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hahahahahahhahaha
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ahahahhahahahha
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Seriously, you’re a nation of sheep that eat 3 cheeseburgers and day.
you think we should have sex ed for kindergarteners? Excuse me, my pedo-meter is going off.
Furthermore, find the word “privacy” in the constitution. Spoilers: you don’t. you just have the right to keep people out of your house (the telephone lines are outside).
“you think we should have sex ed for kindergarteners?”
Sure, you need to teach kids about sex BEFORE they are going to have it. High school is too late when kids are getting knocked-up at 14.
“find the word “privacy†in the constitution”
9th amendment. Just because its not in the constitution doesn’t mean its not a right.
There is ZERO information content in iddqd/diabeetus’s comment. All of the links go to some link farm ad page.
Woah, woah, Cephalus. Let’s analyze some of the logical leaps you just took:
1) All I said is that porn shouldn’t be filtered in public institutions. Teaching children about regular, adult, consensual sex, IMO, reduces the mystery, prevents crazy misconceptions, and normalizes a regular fact of
… life. The children in Portugal were very polite and well mannered. They called me ‘Senhor’ or ‘Doutor’ or ‘Professor Doutor’ and waddya know, lower teen pregnancy rates than the US. Last time I was in Montana, the local kids were smoking up and throwing shovels at a pile of snow over and over again.
2) Yeah, your house. Public institutions should be the opposite of censored. I believe it’s called ‘freedom of information’. Believe it or not, the world isn’t geared toward your own personal comfort. Education involves learning about the bad as well as the good. Forcing ignorance upon yourself in the name of some pussy sense of decency is intellectual and ethical cowardice. Maybe if you had a well-rounded education, you would learn to read.
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3) So what you’re saying is that victims of sexual abuse (the children) should be made the victims of a media circus? Why? ET a little slow tonight? Contemplating the emptiness or your life? Need another buttfucked kid to laugh at?
/believes Caio has his head screwed on right. Makes a change, as 99% of everyone else are dumbasses.
“Forcing ignorance upon yourself in the name of some pussy sense of decency is intellectual and ethical cowardice.”
This is a fantastic sentence. Kudos =D
Yeah. Great choice for a quote. Churchill. The same Churchill who said: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
Added bonus: Churchill never said that. It’s been attributed to everyone from Winston Churchill, Benjamin Disraeli, Kierkegaard to Dick Van Patten.
And, in fact, Churchill did the opposite: he started out as Conservative when he was young and became a Liberal when he was older. Which in the UK are labels that do not correspond to their colloquial use in the States.
“I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes” – On Iraq after world war one. The British mandate there did a world of good, or course.
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And let’s not forget that Churchill was instrumental in planning Gallipoli.
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“I do not admit…that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia…by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race…has come in and taken its place” – Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937. And so on, you could go on. He fully agreed with Hitler on the master race thing, he just figured it was English not German.
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To add to reboot’s point, I’m actually quite conservative by the standards most of the societies I’ve lived in. All if you consider the fact that the only places in the States I’ve lived in more than a year are left-leaning San Francisco and St. Pete, I’m really very conservative for my background. I’m just not gated-community conservative, which is closer to pure crazy than my conservatism is or the Old Country-Estate Imperial Churchill was.
When the Senate just voted whether to grant telephone companies immunity from prosecution from the illegal wiretapping they did, Obama voted against immunity, McCain voted in favor of it, and Clinton didn’t bother to vote at all.
So compared to the other 67 senators who are willing to sell-out your constitutional rights, Obama is looking pretty ok. I voted for him at caucus on Saturday.
Sauce
Go go Obama power!
Obama vs Ron Paul, Fight!!!
copiousdissent.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-extreme-record.html
I think it is great he takes the time to do his job..and whoop ass running for president.
this is gonna be sweet!
On points 1 and 3 I agree with Obama in full. On point two, I’m afraid I’m going to have to trust the legislation itself over some blog. So here’s all the Illinois legislation in 1999 regarding sex offenders, with full text:
www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/sbgroups/sb/910SB0943LV.html
As part of a series of amendments, protects the anonymity of victims of sexual offence.
www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=093-0977
An act concerning registering sexual offenders.
Seriously, I looked and looked. I’m not a lawyer specializing in Illinois criminal law so maybe I missed something, but there doesn’t appear to have been any Illinois law in 1999 regarding the sentencing of sexual predators, only the registration of released sexual predators, specifically in relation to those from other States or Countries that have arrived in Illinois, an act which Obama did vote for. So actually that thing you posted, Iddq, is the exact opposite of true.
.
As for that blog: lol. First off, all the links lead to adds. They look like they link to sources, but no. No primary sources. It also seems to take a pretty strong stand against abortion for a guy who headlines his blogs with ‘limited government’. My understanding of the legal philosophy behind limited government is that when a topic is controversial, the government takes the action which would have the least effect on the public (ie, no legislation). Spending most of your blog actively petitioning to ban something is the exact opposite of limited government. Is today opposite day in the USA and not Canada? Because we seem to be living in crazy opposite land quite a bit, here, don’t we, Iddq?
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Way to fail again, Iddq.
How did I fail when you already failed yourself by saying that you support exposing children to adult pornography and for killing innocent babies through botched up abortions.
And you basically said you support Obama for giving full anonymity for sexual predators as well.
Independents and moderates in this country won’t like the sound of this kind of Obama my dear friend.
1) I don’t really care about porn. Guess what? Adults have sex. I used to live in a country where you’d see full-frontal nudity all the time on TV and noone giggled and got uncomfortable.
2) I don’t support big government. Abortion is a controversial issue, and in controversial issues the government should not interfere. I personally find all abortion repulsive, but at the current time, it’s just not the place of the State to do anything about it.
3) Read closer. Victims get anonymity, so that kids that have already been buttfucked aren’t made into a media circus and thus don’t get their lives ruined more. The other bit of legislation was a registry programme, so all neighbours, etc, of a sexual predator convicted out of state know what a creep he is and ostracize him. Learn to read, fag.
4) Moderate/Independent Americans? Hahaha hahahahhahahaha
.
hahahahahahhahaha
.
ahahahhahahahha
.
Seriously, you’re a nation of sheep that eat 3 cheeseburgers and day.
you think we should have sex ed for kindergarteners? Excuse me, my pedo-meter is going off.
Furthermore, find the word “privacy” in the constitution. Spoilers: you don’t. you just have the right to keep people out of your house (the telephone lines are outside).
Thxz diabetes for that useful info. fo shizzle.
“you think we should have sex ed for kindergarteners?”
Sure, you need to teach kids about sex BEFORE they are going to have it. High school is too late when kids are getting knocked-up at 14.
“find the word “privacy†in the constitution”
9th amendment. Just because its not in the constitution doesn’t mean its not a right.
There is ZERO information content in iddqd/diabeetus’s comment. All of the links go to some link farm ad page.
Woah, woah, Cephalus. Let’s analyze some of the logical leaps you just took:
1) All I said is that porn shouldn’t be filtered in public institutions. Teaching children about regular, adult, consensual sex, IMO, reduces the mystery, prevents crazy misconceptions, and normalizes a regular fact of
… life. The children in Portugal were very polite and well mannered. They called me ‘Senhor’ or ‘Doutor’ or ‘Professor Doutor’ and waddya know, lower teen pregnancy rates than the US. Last time I was in Montana, the local kids were smoking up and throwing shovels at a pile of snow over and over again.
2) Yeah, your house. Public institutions should be the opposite of censored. I believe it’s called ‘freedom of information’. Believe it or not, the world isn’t geared toward your own personal comfort. Education involves learning about the bad as well as the good. Forcing ignorance upon yourself in the name of some pussy sense of decency is intellectual and ethical cowardice. Maybe if you had a well-rounded education, you would learn to read.
.
3) So what you’re saying is that victims of sexual abuse (the children) should be made the victims of a media circus? Why? ET a little slow tonight? Contemplating the emptiness or your life? Need another buttfucked kid to laugh at?
/believes Caio has his head screwed on right. Makes a change, as 99% of everyone else are dumbasses.
“Forcing ignorance upon yourself in the name of some pussy sense of decency is intellectual and ethical cowardice.”
This is a fantastic sentence. Kudos =D
–Sir Winston Churchill
Daayaaamn…
I’m votin’ Caio fo Prezident!
Seriously.
I’m writing you in.
Yeah. Great choice for a quote. Churchill. The same Churchill who said: “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”
Added bonus: Churchill never said that. It’s been attributed to everyone from Winston Churchill, Benjamin Disraeli, Kierkegaard to Dick Van Patten.
And, in fact, Churchill did the opposite: he started out as Conservative when he was young and became a Liberal when he was older. Which in the UK are labels that do not correspond to their colloquial use in the States.
You’re right. Thx for telling me.
Churchhill quotes:
“I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes” – On Iraq after world war one. The British mandate there did a world of good, or course.
.
And let’s not forget that Churchill was instrumental in planning Gallipoli.
.
“I do not admit…that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia…by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race…has come in and taken its place” – Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937. And so on, you could go on. He fully agreed with Hitler on the master race thing, he just figured it was English not German.
.
To add to reboot’s point, I’m actually quite conservative by the standards most of the societies I’ve lived in. All if you consider the fact that the only places in the States I’ve lived in more than a year are left-leaning San Francisco and St. Pete, I’m really very conservative for my background. I’m just not gated-community conservative, which is closer to pure crazy than my conservatism is or the Old Country-Estate Imperial Churchill was.
Hey Caio
Cake boy!