Caio’s information is mostly correct. Most bibles do base their translation work off of other (poorly translated) translations. However, knowledge of Hebrew and Koine is quite good even in our time. Dig:

Hebrews were a mostly literate people in ancient times. Their language was and is very slow to change because of this. The Jews carry on the same tradition today of instructing the language of their people. So, modern knowledge of Hebrew is quite good. (But as Caio brought, out many translate according to a tradition or their personal ecclesiology, rather then what the text says.)

Info about Koine ( Ancient Greek ). The bible was not the only material to be written in Koine. In modern times we have a great deal of information from the Greeks (or Koine speaking people). Using your head you can reason that a great deal of writing comes from that time and ALOT is Koine or is in some form of closely related Koine. Even this aside, a verbatim translation from Greek is not too difficult to read. Especially with even a little knowledge of Koine. In fact, some bibles are used to teach Koine. These are called “ponies” or “trots”. These “ponies” are used because of their accuracy and how readily one can understand idioms and metaphors by use of them. Mind you, I am not talking about a class on religion, only language.

Amendments by the Catholic church (see Latin Vulgate) and the twisting done by the the dictates of the Sophirim do exist, but can readily be accounted for. (some of this Caio mentioned and was correct in saying)

Ideas can be translated in to other languages accurately (by a skilled translator). For example: “cutting straight” (verbatim from Koine) and ‘handle correctly’ (translation to English). Translating is really not a difficult thing to do with the knowledge we have today (and half of a brain) . As we mentioned, though, most who translate the bible do not use their skill (if they have any). For instance, about 80% of the KJV reads EXACTLY the same as Tyndale’s translation of the bible. That’s why it says “and with the former translations diligently compared”. They mean they copied most of it. Most today follow a similar silly tradition like the KJV.

Partially as a result of poor translations from good texts, we have people like WTFBURGERZ who “interpret the general message of it”. In other words ‘use the bible for an excuse for whatever I do, because I say: it told me to do it.’ Most of the wars and bloodshed over the past 1700 years is because of ‘the **cough** bible **cough** said to’. Using this reasoning, I say: ‘All black people are pirates because the book “The gods of Mars” says so!’ If you are going to have a opinion based solely on what you want to do, at least take credit for it, and don’t blame it on a book.

Many people who believe that the bible is not the word of God have never studied it. These are idiots for simply believing what they were told without doing any REAL research. Most people who believe that the bible IS the word of God, also, have not studied it. These too, are IDIOTS, and in my opinion worse then the former group.

@... Paul_Is_Drunk

Deuteronomy contains a law covenant for the Jews. That means the law applied to you, only if you were a Jew or a Jewish proselyte.

In conclusion, if you to believe something, that is your business. But if you attempt a commentary DO SOME RESEARCH FIRST.

@... reboot Actually I have studied Hinduism (albeit a small amount, btw, Chukwa is my friend) and teh Mormonz(Young and Smith make me giggle) . But that is beside the point. I was point to the fact that most people simply believe what they are told, for no other reason, they were told, so they believe. And as you said “The burden of proof is on the believers”. Which is why I said “worse then the former group”, they do not care to prove or even support anything (well, perhaps only a couple things) they believe from the book they purport to treasure.

@... Paul_Is_Drunk
If one knows anything, a lot or a little about a book, it is still ridiculous to say ‘it’s God’s word’ and disregard bits where you and God don’t see eye to eye. It is then that people use the bible as an excuse for their actions, good or bad. Is it not still hypocritical to ignore “God’s word” as YOU see fit? Right?

As for good ‘ol Deuteronomy (or second law). Part of the Pentateuch or Torah, written by Moses in 1473 B.C.E. Yes, it is a part of the bible. GOOD JOB! You get a gold star. If Deuteronomy (and the rest of the Mosaic Law) is God’s word then he would want it followed right? Right. So, where are the sacrifices offered for the Day of Atonement? Who offers the sacrifice? Oh, no temple, or even a line of Levi to have a priesthood? Hmmm Why would God not allow people to worship Him in the way he asked? Why would he put aside the law? Do you know where I am going? I doubt it. It is simple, Romans 6:14, 15 (though I would recommend reading the whole book for a better understanding). See? Mosaic law = not for Christians. And if God still wanted the law practiced he would have not have said to stop (cited in the afore mentioned scripture) or he would have not let the temple be destroyed along with the priestly line (the records for it anyways). But that is what the bible says, so, pay you no mind. God was joking when he wrote it right?

Would you care to offer me to ‘take my own advice’ again? Or perhaps do what you are good at and ‘recover from your hangover’?

Oh and the book of Q was written by John DeLance.

@... Paul_Is_Drunk

A-C . ok then. 😀

In the letter to the Romans Paul does mention “implied human law”. But a great deal is about the Mosiac law and what you mentioned as well. Why do I say Mosiac law? Talking about the covenant with Abraham and circumcision and whatnot is part of the human law (laws of the land) makes no sense. Applying it to the Mosaic law does. If I understood you correctly.

“Is it being under grace and not law that you refer to in Romans 6:14?” Righty. Grace which was shown by the sacrifice and so on… I think we are on the same page with “D”.

As for “E”. lulz. At least it should be interesting. teeheehee

“F” Does it matter? I enjoy the mental exercise.