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You do know you can install Windows on macs, and play the same games eh?
Why not buy a PC that’s ten times cheaper and ten times more powerful.
Saying that Macs are worse that PCs because they have fewer games is like saying an F1 car is worse than a pickup because it has less cargo space.
Care to back up that “ten times” claim by actually linking to some prices and specs?
Nice one iddqd, btw, play doom much?
Argh, Mac vs. PC arguments piss me off so badly. Here’s the solution:
If you’re a gamer, buy a PC. If you want something that is compact, trendy, and easy to use, buy a Mac.
They both have their totally awesome points. I love them both.
reboot:
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113025
Also, great pic. Fuckin’ saved.
iMacs aren’t $3,999 dollars, dickhead. Admittedly, PCs do have the edge as far as games go. However, not everyone plays games all day every day. Some people want a computer that doesn’t shit the bed ever 20 minutes. This image is totally inaccurate and moronic. Yeah, Macs are trendy, but who gives a winged fuck. Images like this are skewing the facts to try to dumb down the argument, because “Okay, so PCs have more games, but the games that both Mac and PCs have…there is pretty similar performance… but uh… my Dell can run higher resolution and frame rates than the average Mac! … unless they have a PowerMac (still cheaper than 3,999)…oh geez… well at least we have more games.” doesn’t have much of a ring to it. And it’s pathetic.
Yeah, TRENDY, that’s important when getting a computer.
LoL Cactus. N1.
caninedevotion
Fanboy dude, unless you own Apple, there’s no need to devote so much of your time evangelizing them. People vote with their money. For most people, a PC is the answer. It’s what they use at the office, or at school, so they already know how to use it. And they can get (for them) a super powerful system for $300-$500. And they only have to purchase their software ONCE. Why on earth would they need to buy a mac? Face it, macs will always be a fringe platform, until their no longer produced.
The video quility for mac is usally better than it is for pc. Problem is no one does cross platform releases. But you can just install bootcamp and run xp and apple
And since macs are the only one thats making profit every other year so the companys that build computers are going out long before apple is.
=]
Apple! PC! Apple! PC! The argument goes on and on. They’re both good platforms. They both run good software (as much as I hate to admit that about Microsoft). When a person buys a mac, they are buying hardware and software in a bundle. It’s been engineered to go together, with only a certain amount of options available to make it crash less often. When a person buys a PC (and you gotta admit LOTS more people do) their generally buying for a purpose, and consider hardware more carefully than software. They generally have a specific purpose in mind. Much of the time these days it seems to be games. Great. I don’t understand the conflict.
Also, what I don’t understand is the whole argument that a mac can now run windows, too. So? Macs are STILL more expensive than PCs, and if I wanted a system that could run 2 OSs, I’d build a PC platform and run Windows/Linux(yay, a UNIX based OS), and STILL pay less.
Oh, and I DO have to respond to Depray who said And since macs are the only one thats making profit every other year so the companys that build computers are going out long before apple is. Let me remind you, the PC companies don’t always make a profit, true, but MICROSOFT does make a profit, and that’s what PCs run on.
Nice try, casemods, but that system is NOT 10x less than a Mac nor is it 10x more powerful. It has a shit integrated video card, no monitor and Windows Vista. And its ugly. And its a Gateway. You have proven that, once again, you have know idea what you are talking about.
And most of you can’t seem to grasp the concept that a computer is for far more than just games.
Apple computers, quite simply, are not more expensive than other brands. Similarly configured, they are, in fact, less expensive. The people that say otherwise are ill-informed and simply repeat what they’ve been told.
In any case, even if they were more expensive, they are superior products, so why would they not cost more?
Most people that deride Apple computers and the Mac OS have not actually used either, so they can simply be dismissed as ignorant. I see no actual informed points being made here against Macs. Perhaps some of the posters could bother educating themselves, or perhaps they could just shut the fuck up.
@... argonplatypus
It is not that simple actually. Sure, if you have a Mac Pro, it’s a good possibility that your system and video ram won’t be shared, therefore allowing you to play the same games without too much problem. But if you tried to do this on like a Mac Mini, You’ll get windows, and you’ll get the game, but you will be eaten alive by the lag.
So in the end, save $2000 and get a PC.
The pricing between the two are comparable with the Mac actually showing more value for the dollar in recent times.
www.macworld.com/2006/08/features/macproprice/index.php
A PC can run Windows and Linux but not OSX. A Mac can run all three and thus can run all the PC games at native speed for when you feel like dicking off instead of making money.
Macs come bundled with iLife which has won countless awards and are incredible apps considering they’re free. PC’s come bundled with AOL and ads for a million anti-virus apps that you have to buy.
Windows viruses: 50,000+
Mac viruses: 1
People who I know that have converted from Windows to Mac: at least 30 (including me)
People who went the other way: 0
Oh and I have a 10 year old beige G3 at home running OSX as a file server that has never been upgraded or repaired since it was purchased. Anyone out there have a 10 year old Dell that can run Vista or even run at all? Didn’t think so.
“Let me remind you, the PC companies don’t always make a profit, true, but MICROSOFT does make a profit, and that’s what PCs run on.”
uhm no Windows runs on PCS. PCs don’t run on windows. Windows is an OS and even if windows pulls several more dipshit move there still going to be around. But you were talking about the computer being to exsiencive not the OS and since mircosoft doesn’t really make computers I was talking about the companies that do.
@... kn0xy
I was commenting on the picture actually. Granted a Mac Mini is not going to run games like a Dell XPS gaming machine. But the new iMac in the picture (not remotely $4000) vs a $1200 Dell XPS machine (good luck getting one that cheap with a decent monitor), would either be virtually difference, or the iMac would run games better.
Cant we just agree that Porn can be enjoyed on both?
M-3
I call bullshit on that link. It’s not a fair comparison as they have things on the PC like a non-consumer grade video card. They’re for high end systems used at places like Pixar, not for your grandparents, not even for hardcore gamers. Meanwhile they have a budget level video card on the mac. If this WAS fair, they’d have the same video card on the PC, since you can get that exact same card on the PC.
Kind of blows that argument out of the water. Macs are as overpriced as ever.
M3
Can’t believe I didn’t notice this. They didn’t even have a monitor included on the mac, yet the PC has a high end 19″ LCD.
Bullshit!
caninedevotion
Some people want a computer that doesn’t shit the bed ever 20 minutes.
What the hell are you talking about? I leave my WindowsXP PCs running all day long and they crash very rarely. Maybe once or twice a month (and usually because I’ve messed with something I shouldn’t have). And I do development work AND play games. Meanwhile, a friend of mine was all excited one day to show me how wonderful OSX is and keyboard and mouse locked up while it was booting up. That was much less than 20 minutes.
It’s your argument that’s pathetic.
MATT DAMON!
M3
Anyone out there have a 10 year old Dell that can run Vista or even run at all?
Of course not, Vista is a high end advanced OS. Forget hardware, most PC users aren’t even ready for it. OSX on the other hand is a lot simpler and basic, so of course it’s going to run on older hardware.
The fact that you can run it on such an old machine is not an endorsement. It actually makes it sound like it’s the OS that Apple would have come out with 5-10 years ago if they had half the talent and braintrust that Microsoft has.
Oh and about viruses. I’ve heard this all before, but the fact of the matter is viruses go where the users are. Since MOST people have a PC, that’s where most of the viruses are written, and where there’s more fun for the script kiddies to have. The reason there is fewer viruses on macs is the same as Linux.
Sorry, Alec. You can’t call bullshit on a link until after you read the article:
“Notes: Mac Pro uses four 512MB DIMMs for increased performance; Dell uses 2 1GB DIMMs. Dell is also available in “750W†configuration for $470 less; this system apparently doesn’t provide enough power to graphics cards to support more than two monitors. Mac Pro’s PCI slots can be configured in four combinations of speeds. Dell LCD display is “free†as part of a current promotion. Dell’s specs for the 690 note 4 DIMM slots for a maximum of 8GB RAM, but other documentation mentions available expansion to 16 DIMM slots for a total of 64GB RAM; Dell’s specs also conflict on hard drive and optical drive bays.”
They had to put a card in that can support more than two high definition monitors of at least 30″ like the “budget level”, as you called it, card in the Mac. And the Dell display, as noted in the notes, is ‘free’ with the computer so the Apple wasn’t configured with a monitor in order to keep it fair, ie. only list what the customer actually ordered.
Oh and Matt Damon! to yo, casemods! ^_^
M-3
They had to put a card in that can support more than two high definition monitors of at least 30
Wrong! I have that card and it CAN handle two monitors, same size, same as the mac. Why would it lose this ability just because it’s on a PC? That makes no sense. It was developed primarily for the PC. That’s where the money is to be made.
I renew my call of Bullshit.
Alec, there can never be an argument that MS has the market. Nobody’s debating that. And naturally, people will write viruses for whichever OS has the highest share. The question is why can’t the “talented braintrust” of the richest corporation in the world write code that isn’t bloated, has security holes in it, and rips off OSX’s interface and features? If they’re so smart why didn’t Windows 2000 have these features before OSX and not five years after? Talent?
Actually many graphics cards are available on the Mac first but then you’d have to follow both to know that.
M-3
I totally agree with you about the holes and bloat (and let’s face it, Apple and MS steal from each other, and they both ripped of Xerox). I’m told by an ex-MS employee that it’s a corporate culture issue at MS, but I think it’s just a result of the main flaw with the PC: the makers of the OS don’t control the hardware, and there’s a lot of it out there. I’m a former Amiga user who came to the PC world kicking and screaming, so I can relate. I don’t have a problem with macs, I just can’t stand when people make false statements about either.
Ok, Depray, you caught my error. I had typed “MICROSOFT does make a profit, and that’s what PCs run on”, when I meant to say that Microsoft makes a profit, and that’s what’s on most PCs. Way to catch my error and exploit it, even when you knew what I meant. Now, in the spirit of that, when you said “But you were talking about the computer being to exsiencive not the OS” I’m PRETTY sure you meant “but you were talking about the computer being TOO expensive, not the OS”. If you’re going to criticize me on my slip of logic, you should at least try not to compromise yourself with simple spelling errors. I also allowed part of my argument to slip past. I had meant to add that PCs do periodically crash, more often than Macs, but that’s because the OS has to compensate for a far greater variety of hardware. That being said, my Windows system typically runs for weeks at a time without reboot, and I haven’t had a system crash in over a year. Why is this? I’ve configured my system to run optimally. That’s the way MOST macs come from the factory. The point is, I LIKE tinkering with my system, something that Macs don’t give me much of an opportunity to do. I can play with hardware. I can swap components out easily. I have a true FrankenSystem that I built myself.
The TRUE advantage that PCs have over Macs is that a user can build a PC at home from basic components, configure it to his own specifications, and put pretty much whatever OS he wants to on it (with the exception of OSX, that is). With Mac, you can order it configured how you want, but with major limitations.
Price:
the new Apple IMac, as shown on www.apple.com is $1,199.00.
Or you could buy this system www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3272628&CatId=6
for $899.99. Yeah, you’ll still have to get a monitor, but you’ll still save money.
For all you Mac lovers out there
iddqd: there are now 33 comments in the thread. 20 of them are pro-PC, including the original image. Are you sure its just Mac users who can’t shut up?
No, it’s you that can’t shut up, reboot.
‘Macs’ are a subset of ‘PCs’.
An exensive, white, minimalist subset.
reboot = 2 vs. iddqd = 1 (it woulda been a tie, but your 3rd grade comeback deducted one point)
reboot wins.
Yes but more importantly, Maddox = 16.7 Million
First of all I would like to point out the fps counter in the mac photo. 8.2. Fucking brilliant.. 4000$ for graphics the SNES could pull off easily. also Macs may be compact but they suck I had to use one for 2 semesters and the damn thing would crash with ONE not TEN but ONE program open thats right i would get the stupid swirly disc of death for ONE LOUSY VIDEO EDITING PROGRAM Mac FAILS
PC stands for “Personal Computer” therefor all mac’s are PC’s, but not all PC’s are macs.
That being said, what separates the two is the hardware that is being used for them separately, which are not interchangable between the systems.
However currently they are making “Intel Macs” that ARE using interchangable parts, hence the drop in cost, and ease of production.
Basciaclly PC users are getting tired and some very pissed off with Mac saying “It just works!”
and those pointless adverts with “I’m a Mac, I’m a PC ect.” Thats called bad advertising, saying that Macs are better just because they can make movies, music and what ever else, then going onto say that all PC’s are good for is spreadsheets and office work.
LIES I TELL YE! Technically, Mac know full well that PC games are more prefered to be played of anybrand PC, where as Mac just supply Macs. PC’s have hundreds, maybe even thousands of software/hardware companies manufacturing stuff for them.
Ok, so what argonplatypus said that you can install Windows on a Mac…why bother? PC’s come with it pre-installed and if you did, technically you’ve just stripped it of the main things that make it a Mac in the first place!
I can be biased now like Macintosh have been with their adverts on the internet and even on TV sometimes and say, PC’s are more supreme than Macs because yes, they do do office stuff, which thereby makes Macs completely useless for the modern workplace, and not only that, so what if Macs can do games just like PCs? PCs can switch between work and play!
See? It’s true…but it doesn’t show both sides of the argument fairly does it? I prefer PCs soley on the fact that I can game to an uncanny extent, and get a whole load of work done relativley quickly because, like a Mac, all Microsoft Office programs are compatable with each other.
I just thought it was a funny picture…but low and behold, the boasting Mac users complain! So I’m sticking with PCs until Mac stop being biased, and even after that I’d only get one if Macs could do the same things AND more of what a PC can do.
*Looks back at picture and laughs ass off…literaly!*
You can’t respect a company that engineers it’s hardware to run their main competitors software that was specifically designed to run on their hardware.
I didn’t understand a word of that.
Well, what I mean is, apple engineered their proprietary hardware to run their competitors software.
(or to dumb it down even more, not saying your dumb but a lot of people don’t speak great english)
Apple changed their computers so that they could run windows. Why did they do this? Because they FAIL as a company. After they did that, they STILL don’t get as much people buying Apple computers.
I don’t see why people like apple products so much.
With iPods, you can’t drag and drop music, which is terrible for offline p2p.
(i love borrowing someone’s music player and acquiring all their music without the fear of anti p2p companies emailing me, and without having to download all of it, but with itunes, it renames all the songs to a combination of 4 letters and numbers for the name of the file, so when you copy the contents of the ipod, you have to hope that the artist and title are there, and rename them)
Not with USB devices.
You just drag and drop, no renaming files.
Now you tell me which you prefer?
Ah I see.
And don’t worry…it’s very easy to mistake me for a dumb person 😛
Why is it that people can never agree on either Religion, Politics, or bloody computer platforms?
hahahaha the FPS on the mac is 8.2
I have but one real objection to macs: what the hell is up with the one-button mice?
meh. Might as well add some fuel to the fire.
www.mac-sucks.com/
and if technically Macs are PC’s as well, How come apple hasn’t realized this and is still using the incorrect Apple VS PC Comparison?
The ten reasons to switch to mac debunked
www.mac-sucks.com/switch_why.php
Apple accused of cheating on benchmarks
www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/24/apple_accused_of_cheating_over/