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OK, we’ll scratch the pubic option.
What’s a pubic oplion?
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Jesus, the one thing either side left or right cannot grasp is a G-damn compromise, wtf.
Jesus, the one thing either far side left or right cannot grasp is a G-damn compromise, wtf.
So important, you posted twice!
The dems are trying to offer compromises, day in and day out. The public option is a compromise in itself. The repubs will only be happy if nothing passes, because insurance companies are more important than people.
I knew this was coming… take a look at the latter post, “far” right or left. Either that is far left or far right are unintelligent, I mean it’s nice to see the right worked up about something other than abortion or gay marriage.
And dude you can say all you want about why the Repubs don’t want it, it’s not that they cherish insurance companies man…
For me it’s the fear of government control (not socialism) but I have seen what life is like at the hands and care of the government and trust me it’s not efficient.
Insurance companies are much easier to battle for what you need than the U.S. Government by far, think you will be able to coax anything other than the cheapest option, you think the government cares about people?
I’d be happy w/ regulation of the insurance companies. I do alright; I have insurance for myself and through hubby’s job, but when he switched jobs last year, we had to go through COBRA, and that cost me nearly $2000 a month. Which is why I am now signed up through my job.
It pisses me off that 2 of my 3 sons have no insurance because they’re self-employed. Some basic health and dental should be affordable by anyone who works and makes minimum wage. Sliding scale pricing would be worth looking at too.
I have no real problem w/ the idea of single payer or a public option, but I’m not overly attached to it.
I think you’re wrong about the repubs not cherishing the insurance companies. They cherish any and every corporation over people; it’s part of their philosophy. Capitalism is their real god and the pray to their gods regularly. When even Greenspan sees what the effect of unencumbered/unregulated capitalism and says he was wrong, people should pay attention.
Anyone could be covered by Blue Cross Blue Shield with various rates and co-pay options, I did it for a while rather than taking on Tricare’s shit coverage.
Also, one of my guys in his civilian field, he’s a roofer pulling in 120,000 a year, self employed, doesn’t opt for health insurance, just LLC, he definitely doesn’t pay taxes on all that he earns in fact he asked me to check his figures and he claimed 23,000 with his reservist pay. I don’t think it’s an isolated incident in fact he’s done it 4 times since.
He could be paying 1180 a year for his own health insurance, yet elects not to,
so when I hear of a plan that will “fix” this…. what’s to fix
I am not saying the existing system is gold but public healthcare is hopping from one extreme to the next.
I’ve been in a position before making shit minimum wage living paycheck to paycheck, and I got off my ass, without government grants.
Does anyone know when blue cross blue shield is not available to someone… it’s when their employer is already a carrier and they elect not pay for it that they cannot be covered.
It’s no mystery to me and it’s never been laid out for me by anyone.
Why is this such a disgusting option for so many??? so if you need something more advanced you pay more, rather than needing it and going through months and months of trials and reviews convincing the Government you need it.
I have made a mess here, sorry if I’m not clear
It doesn’t work if you have pre-existing condition. There’s currently no inexpensive way to insure yourself then.
I understand it’s significantly more expensive for someone with a pre-existing condition, but I have seldom met anyone that was incapable of getting a position with a company that offers health insurance…
I’m unemployed with my benefits coming near expiration soon and I will have to figure out a way to gain benefits for my pregnant wife and I, but I hardly feel it is my government, city, county, state, or or countries responsibility to make a way for us… it’s out there if I’m hungry enough.
I know it sounds cold, but I have had to make a way for myself my entire life, when I turned 18 and decided not to go to college, benefits were on me, I worked a factory, I joined the Army Reserves and scraped by (Reserves until recently offered no benefits mind you.)
I have met many who said the Government needs to find a way, and if it’s decided that it’s a national effort to provide health care to those who choose not to pursue it on their own esteem, or cannot than so be it, I still am not happy about being yanked into government care, the last thing our government understands is efficiency.
Perhaps the hospital fees will be much more humble with the government involved, god knows it’s extortion that they can charge 85 dollars for the administration of a bed pan.
I’m definitely not clear, I do think we need reform, I am just not enthusiastic about what I have read from the bill thus far. energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
Also Nyokki, I have been actually looking at the “raw” bill rather than some glorified inturpritation and it seems like there is allot to gain here, if competitive insurance companies want to exist then they have to fit within certain guide-lines set by an association.
I feel like a chump everyone, damn those tainted cliff notes…
Still trying to interpret the 1071 pages in bureaucratic form,
*interpretation *than
Just a few things here:
1) It’s called a public OPTION. Nobody is forcing you into into unmanageable, inefficient care. This will be expensive in taxes, yes. But TARP was much more expensive, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are much more expensive, and the trillions it would take to get our infrastructure back up to speed would be the most expensive of all. This at least is something that people you actually have to deal with get measurable results from, not just suits in a corporation.
2) For all it’s faults, the VA still has higher satisfaction ratings than the private sector, for six years in a row. Link below.
www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=14560
And have you heard these outraged protesters screaming about keeping the gov’t. out of Medicare? Must be working for them.
3) If you haven’t heard of companies gutting their health benefits (like my gf’s did just last week) especially since last November, then you haven’t been paying attention. I have a day job with a huge company that runs living assisted facilities and nursing homes. The copay for a doctor/specialist. visit is the same as if I was a cash patient. So I could get coverage, yes. But it wouldn’t do me any good. And if I needed some kind of life saving expensive surgery, my extensive prior medical history could mean I get denied coverage for it, if it’s not considered “experimental” to begin with.
4) You pulled yourself up by the bootstraps. Good for you. No, really, good job. What you fail to understand is that just because you did it, doesn’t mean that everyone else can do it. It doesn’t even mean that you could do it again in this economy. From 2002-2006, I pulled myself out of $15,000 worth of debt for school, a car, and some medical bills. I worked hard, spent as little as possible, didn’t take vacations, etc. Became debt free. I decided to go back to school and become a massage therapist a year before the economy tanked. All I had was $7500 in debt to school, and this time, I’m not getting out from under it. I work a small clientele for $50 an hour, I wash dishes at the old folks home, and sell t-shirts online, and still can’t make any headway.
Stopping now, too long already.
Even with the “far” line, you are still wrong. The left (including far) has offered compromise, the right (all of it) has refused.
There will be inefficiencies with either a private or public system, but with private, you pay for several more layers of needless bureaucracy and billions for executives who perform no useful service. Insurance rates also increase based on stock market performance. Bad market, higher rates. Your premiums go into their stocks and bonds and if they don’t make enough money in a year on stocks, you pay more next year. Yes, hospital costs need to be reigned in too, but private insurance is a racket that if not heavily regulated (Germany has a good system) is a scam.
It comes down to capitalism. Not laissez faire shit, but Adam Smith capitalism. The real stuff. Anything that is required for a society to function properly falls under the commons and should be maintained by the government through taxes. Roads, parks, education, infrastructure, etc all falls under this. But as health care becomes more vital and more expensive, such that a medical condition can bankrupt you even if you have insurance, it becomes part of the commons. ‘I got mine, so screw everybody else’ doesn’t work if you want to be a real capitalist.
They should cut back on the Fox News pablum. Someone should ‘shop in the “Get a brain! Morans” guy.
Massachusetts has managed to find a way for 97.5% of its citizens have insurance. Apparently whatever they did isn’t good enough for the other 49 states.
Take a look around the world at the best practices & you’ll see that the single payer option delivers everything that is desired. Universal access, lower costs & good quality care. Debunk the myths surrounding this discussion. There are no “death panels” in the UK or Canada or anywhere else for that matter. Think outside the box & see what’s possible. The vested interests have so much to lose & are putting up the fight of their lives. Live up to your credo & think freely. Richard Nixon’s inaugural speech still rings true, even if he was a “crook”; You’re a nation materially rich, but spiritually in rags. Change that. Here’s your chance…
We have mandatory insurance for our cars, because our cars are important.
People, though? Who the fuck cares, they aren’t cars!
We have mandatory insurance for our cars (LIABILITY) so if we injure someone there is funds available to help them…
And your statement isn’t true you don’t have to have car insurance in all states or if you don’t have a care.
I don’t know if that’s a good comparison. Car insurance only covers accidental damage and/or vandalism depending on your coverage. If the car care/insurance industry was like the health insurance industry, it would cost $300 for an oil change, $1,000 for a new set of tires, and you’d leave your mechanic with a bunch of additives you may or may not need.
Although, if a finger got stuck up someone’s tailpipe, this time it would be burnt.
I wouldn’t mind if the government helped me out. I make about 650 a month, with my parents helping me out with Blue Cross, which doesn’t pay for half of anything if I ever need any sort of medical. I have asthma and it cost me 45 just to get a tiny ass inhaler which lasted me a good 2 weeks before it was done. And out of that 45, Blue Cross payed a whopping 10 dollars. God forbid I get into any serious medical trouble, I might as well go to that back alley guy and trade my kidneys in for medicine. I’m not looking for a hand out but if the government is willing to help me out, I’m all for it. Some of you richer people might not like the fact that everyone gets health care under this plan, but for people like me who barely make enough to eat, I’d take some help thanks.
That’s more the fault of all-profit pharmaceutical companies than it is a (supposedly) non-profit insurer like Blue Cross. Most pharmaceutical companies spend money on R&D (supposedly again) and greasing the wheels in the FDA — The actual production costs of medicine are nominal, they just jack the price way up to gouge patients and squeeze insurers. Which is why people order generic meds from Canada at a fraction of cost.
I’d bet this lady $1000 she couldn’t give a correct definition of socialism. And I’m pretty sure I’d come away $1000 richer from that encounter.
This woman looks like she has 1,000 dollars to bet with???