I’ll be installing the RTM code on my laptop when it comes out. I’ll probably be upgrading my desktop with it as well. It’s either Windows 7 or Server 2008, either way. (I’m running Server 2003 as a workstation currently.) Although I’m getting tired of the shit that won’t run just because it’s 2003. Not because it can’t run, they don’t want it running.
The only problems I’ve had with it so far is some ickiness with trying to get my printers to install, and we haven’t been able to get the printers to actually print over the network (the print jobs appear in the queue but never print, and we’ve got one stuck right now that we haven’t been able to get to go away). Other than that it’s felt pretty damned clean. I’m running 64-bit, build 7100.
I’ll be installing Civ IV tonight, I’ll come back and whine and piss and moan if it doesn’t work properly.
I skipped Vista entirely – I’m in agreement that it was as necessary as ME.
I have dual booted Win7 with XP on an older laptop.
It is prettier, but no more functional than XP.
I suggest staying with XP until you purchase a new machine and Win 7 comes with it.
I would never buy it as an upgrade. Waste of money.
In the mean time, if your looking for something different to break up life’s monotony – go for Ubuntu. Ubuntu is easy to learn, kind of fun to learn, highly customizable, and fits all of my needs except one – direct compatibility with MS Office (which I need for my job). Its good for home use and FREE so you don’t have to pirate a copy and fight for security updates / maintenance.
ack, Not sure what issues you have with openoffice. That’s what we use solely at work and we have no problems exchanging documents with MSoffice users. You just have to remember to save in a MS supported format instead of an opendocument format.
Just installing programs is a kick in the ass and I hadn’t realized I use a staggering amount of programs on Windows that I can’t find for Ubuntu. Hell even confuguring BT on it was a nightmare, I guess I don’t have the required brainpower for it. Even then, I tried to do as much as possible
hm. sounds like my first experience with it, it was a nightmare. then, about a year ago, I tried it again on my dell machine, and it was a fairly easy experience. not sure if it was the latest version of software or it was the ‘more standard’ hardware. Installing software was easy enough, just double click what you want installed from the repository.
By BT you mean bit torrent? what exactly were you configuring? If you had tcp/ip working right, all you had to do was install utorrent/azurus, right?
I don’t remember exactly, since it was a few months ago, but I remember trying to get uTorrent to work, I can’t tell you if I got it to work but it just didn’t want to connect or I wasn’t able to get it installed altogether.
I had no problem with hardware, that was the least of worries, but when it came to “Hey, I wanna do this” I’d search for it and would often find that no Linux versions were available of said program, it happened to often I became frustrated and decided to drop the whole thing, maybe in a distant future I would try again if I’m that bored but for now I don’t want to fix what’s not broken.
I’ve been using Win7 betas for 6-7 months with very few problems. I remember it bluescreened uninstalling a Virtual CloneDrive but otherwise all my vista drivers work. I used vLite to fit 7000 on my Asus eee 8G, pretty awesome.
Actually, 7 is a bug and feature fixed version of Vista that they’re trying to shill off as a whole new OS, making us pay full upgrade cost rather than issuing patches to fix Vista. Gotta love good ol’ Micro$haft. It’s the same bullshit they pulled with WIn95->Win98
Based on comparing how long it takes to install Win7 verses Vista, it isnt simply a fixed version of vista. It may still use a lot of the same kernel, but its been highly optimized. With the major jump being from XP to Vista, it wouldnt be a good idea to do major kernel changes 3 years later anyway.
I’m running a dual boot of Win7 RC and WinXP. So far I’ve had very very few problems with Win7 running any of my games or installing any of the drivers for my stuff (remember how bad driver installation was with Vista, at first?).
I’ve been gaming on my Win7 boot more than XP. I’m using a GTX 280, which just flies on everything that I’ve tried at max settings at 1920×1200 (and up to x8 AA), DX10. So far I’m very happy with it, and it was free. I’d suggest resizing a partition or finding an old extra drive and test it out if you’re unsure yourself.
I installed the Build 7000 beta when it came out, and used it with a grand total of one problem until I installed the RC, which solved my one problem. And that problem was merely that Chrome didn’t want to display web pages for some reason, but I mostly use FF, so it wasn’t that big of a deal.
Performance-wise, it boots a few seconds slower than a fresh install of XP on the same machine, but after you’ve logged in, it gets to that ‘usable’ stage quite a bit quicker. Games load noticeably faster, and run a bit better too, especially Mass Effect where the weird jerkiness I’d sometimes get during cut-scenes is completely gone in Seven. And when I feel like doing something daft like play DoW2 on my main monitor while playing an HD movie in Ubuntu running under a VM on monitor two, Seven is much less inclined to say “Fuck you buddy, I’m going on vacation” than XP.
I know it’s great fun to bash Microsoft, and “It sucks because M$ made it” has been a very useful way to conserve brainpower, but I’ve got to hand it to them on Seven. It’s a damn fine operating system.
Of course, this being MS we’re talking about, I’m still just waiting to see how they manage to fuck this one up come release day…
Windows 6.1 actually, or Vista rebranded (because marketing screwed up, see “Mojave Experiment” on google or wikipedia), with some cosmetic upgrades.
And some “features” to make UAC less annoying (and also, less secure).
Having gone into the idea of Vista enthusiastically, I can say with some certainty that 7 is not Vista rebranded. Vista was on my computer for about a day and a half when it first came out – it was simply unusable due to problems with running anything Adobe on it, or really the lack of being able to run anything Adobe on it due to chokes doing even the most simple of operations. I make my living partly from graphics and Flash work – an OS that can’t run the software I need to work is an OS that won’t be on my computer long.
I’ve had no problems with 7 and CS3. Granted, I’m running with 6 gigs of RAM where I was only running with 2 before, but I don’t think that’s the only difference.
I’ve been running Windows 7 for months now, and recently switched to the new RC. It’s been rock solid for me, and actually quite peppy. As far as functionality, I’d say you don’t gain much over XP, although having all the drivers included is definitely a time-saver. Still a couple bugs to work out, but it runs quickly, boots quickly, and shuts down quickly. Those are what I look for in an OS.
As for Ubuntu, I was in the same boat a year or two ago – tired of futzing with it to get simple things to work. But I recently re-tried it, and love it. I dual boot, and run an Ubuntu box at home. I quickly learned that it’s actually EASIER to use in some respects than Windows. You have easy access to a TON of programs using the Add Programs menu, vs. going to individual sites for a Windows app. In Ubuntu all I do is type in what feature I want, and it installs it for me. Torrent software? – done. PDF printer? – done. Need Ubuntu to be your DHCP server? – done. Try doing any of those things in Windows without going to a bunch of 3rd party sites and trying app after app.
How is this, anyone know?
not finished
Not bad. It feels finished.
I’ll be installing the RTM code on my laptop when it comes out. I’ll probably be upgrading my desktop with it as well. It’s either Windows 7 or Server 2008, either way. (I’m running Server 2003 as a workstation currently.) Although I’m getting tired of the shit that won’t run just because it’s 2003. Not because it can’t run, they don’t want it running.
The only problems I’ve had with it so far is some ickiness with trying to get my printers to install, and we haven’t been able to get the printers to actually print over the network (the print jobs appear in the queue but never print, and we’ve got one stuck right now that we haven’t been able to get to go away). Other than that it’s felt pretty damned clean. I’m running 64-bit, build 7100.
I’ll be installing Civ IV tonight, I’ll come back and whine and piss and moan if it doesn’t work properly.
I skipped Vista entirely – I’m in agreement that it was as necessary as ME.
is it free….of any problems?
So far it has received more acceptance in its beta stage than Vista ever did even after two years of being in the market so it can’t be all THAT bad.
But my real question would be, is it better than WinXP?
(To me, Vista is a downgrade)
My 2 cents.
I have dual booted Win7 with XP on an older laptop.
It is prettier, but no more functional than XP.
I suggest staying with XP until you purchase a new machine and Win 7 comes with it.
I would never buy it as an upgrade. Waste of money.
In the mean time, if your looking for something different to break up life’s monotony – go for Ubuntu. Ubuntu is easy to learn, kind of fun to learn, highly customizable, and fits all of my needs except one – direct compatibility with MS Office (which I need for my job). Its good for home use and FREE so you don’t have to pirate a copy and fight for security updates / maintenance.
ack, Not sure what issues you have with openoffice. That’s what we use solely at work and we have no problems exchanging documents with MSoffice users. You just have to remember to save in a MS supported format instead of an opendocument format.
I can’t be bothered to learn how to use Ubuntu.
Just installing programs is a kick in the ass and I hadn’t realized I use a staggering amount of programs on Windows that I can’t find for Ubuntu. Hell even confuguring BT on it was a nightmare, I guess I don’t have the required brainpower for it. Even then, I tried to do as much as possible
It just wasn’t fun for me.
I feel your pain. I study computing at college and even I can’t get Ubuntu to work right…
hm. sounds like my first experience with it, it was a nightmare. then, about a year ago, I tried it again on my dell machine, and it was a fairly easy experience. not sure if it was the latest version of software or it was the ‘more standard’ hardware. Installing software was easy enough, just double click what you want installed from the repository.
By BT you mean bit torrent? what exactly were you configuring? If you had tcp/ip working right, all you had to do was install utorrent/azurus, right?
I don’t remember exactly, since it was a few months ago, but I remember trying to get uTorrent to work, I can’t tell you if I got it to work but it just didn’t want to connect or I wasn’t able to get it installed altogether.
I had no problem with hardware, that was the least of worries, but when it came to “Hey, I wanna do this” I’d search for it and would often find that no Linux versions were available of said program, it happened to often I became frustrated and decided to drop the whole thing, maybe in a distant future I would try again if I’m that bored but for now I don’t want to fix what’s not broken.
I’ve been using Win7 betas for 6-7 months with very few problems. I remember it bluescreened uninstalling a Virtual CloneDrive but otherwise all my vista drivers work. I used vLite to fit 7000 on my Asus eee 8G, pretty awesome.
A computer geek friend of mine offered this, Vista is to 7 as ME is to XP.
“Vista is to 7 as ME is to XP.”
No, it’s hype created by Microsoft. Vista is a huge piece of crap, but Seven… won’t be better.
@... asymon
expalian why seven sucks.
Actually, 7 is a bug and feature fixed version of Vista that they’re trying to shill off as a whole new OS, making us pay full upgrade cost rather than issuing patches to fix Vista. Gotta love good ol’ Micro$haft. It’s the same bullshit they pulled with WIn95->Win98
Based on comparing how long it takes to install Win7 verses Vista, it isnt simply a fixed version of vista. It may still use a lot of the same kernel, but its been highly optimized. With the major jump being from XP to Vista, it wouldnt be a good idea to do major kernel changes 3 years later anyway.
I’m running a dual boot of Win7 RC and WinXP. So far I’ve had very very few problems with Win7 running any of my games or installing any of the drivers for my stuff (remember how bad driver installation was with Vista, at first?).
I’ve been gaming on my Win7 boot more than XP. I’m using a GTX 280, which just flies on everything that I’ve tried at max settings at 1920×1200 (and up to x8 AA), DX10. So far I’m very happy with it, and it was free. I’d suggest resizing a partition or finding an old extra drive and test it out if you’re unsure yourself.
I installed the Build 7000 beta when it came out, and used it with a grand total of one problem until I installed the RC, which solved my one problem. And that problem was merely that Chrome didn’t want to display web pages for some reason, but I mostly use FF, so it wasn’t that big of a deal.
Performance-wise, it boots a few seconds slower than a fresh install of XP on the same machine, but after you’ve logged in, it gets to that ‘usable’ stage quite a bit quicker. Games load noticeably faster, and run a bit better too, especially Mass Effect where the weird jerkiness I’d sometimes get during cut-scenes is completely gone in Seven. And when I feel like doing something daft like play DoW2 on my main monitor while playing an HD movie in Ubuntu running under a VM on monitor two, Seven is much less inclined to say “Fuck you buddy, I’m going on vacation” than XP.
I know it’s great fun to bash Microsoft, and “It sucks because M$ made it” has been a very useful way to conserve brainpower, but I’ve got to hand it to them on Seven. It’s a damn fine operating system.
Of course, this being MS we’re talking about, I’m still just waiting to see how they manage to fuck this one up come release day…
it looks like half a pussy lying down…
Windows 6.1 actually, or Vista rebranded (because marketing screwed up, see “Mojave Experiment” on google or wikipedia), with some cosmetic upgrades.
And some “features” to make UAC less annoying (and also, less secure).
Having gone into the idea of Vista enthusiastically, I can say with some certainty that 7 is not Vista rebranded. Vista was on my computer for about a day and a half when it first came out – it was simply unusable due to problems with running anything Adobe on it, or really the lack of being able to run anything Adobe on it due to chokes doing even the most simple of operations. I make my living partly from graphics and Flash work – an OS that can’t run the software I need to work is an OS that won’t be on my computer long.
I’ve had no problems with 7 and CS3. Granted, I’m running with 6 gigs of RAM where I was only running with 2 before, but I don’t think that’s the only difference.
I’ve been running Windows 7 for months now, and recently switched to the new RC. It’s been rock solid for me, and actually quite peppy. As far as functionality, I’d say you don’t gain much over XP, although having all the drivers included is definitely a time-saver. Still a couple bugs to work out, but it runs quickly, boots quickly, and shuts down quickly. Those are what I look for in an OS.
As for Ubuntu, I was in the same boat a year or two ago – tired of futzing with it to get simple things to work. But I recently re-tried it, and love it. I dual boot, and run an Ubuntu box at home. I quickly learned that it’s actually EASIER to use in some respects than Windows. You have easy access to a TON of programs using the Add Programs menu, vs. going to individual sites for a Windows app. In Ubuntu all I do is type in what feature I want, and it installs it for me. Torrent software? – done. PDF printer? – done. Need Ubuntu to be your DHCP server? – done. Try doing any of those things in Windows without going to a bunch of 3rd party sites and trying app after app.