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Love this cartoon!
Falsehood that ID = Creationism: check.
Falsehood that Christians believed in a flat earth = check.
Falsehood that Christians teach their kids that the stork brings babies: check.
Falsehood that the Salem witch trials were a major event and representative of the whole of Christendom: check.
Falsehood that leeches are not used in medicine today: check.
Otherwise, a great cartoon.
Looks about right to me, lol
1. ID is creationism. It got rebranded after the creationists lost the Edwards case. If you don’t like that fact, tough.
2. Some christians DO still believe the earth is flat. Some of them believe that the earth is the center of the universe. Others think the earth is only 6,000 years old. I personally wouldn’t take scientific advice from any of them much less allow them to write science standards for a school system.
3. Fundamentalists teach their kids only one thing, abstinence. They try and drum it into their heads over and over and over again. Of course teenagers being as they are, the more you tell them not to do something the more likely they are to do it. And since abstinence is the only thing they have been taught you can rest assured that safe sex is out the window. Say hello to sky-high teen pregnancy rates and STD infections.
4. I think if you were one of the people tied to a post and set on fire you’d consider it a “major event” too. Not to mention that the stone age belifs that led to the salem witch trials are still claiming innocent lives today: www.associatedcontent.com/article/20165/modern_day_witch_hunt_in_south_africa.html
5. If fundamentalist christianity still ruled civilization, leeches would be about the ONLY thing that was used in “modern” medicine.
6. The cartoon IS funny. If you don’t like it, again, tough. 🙂
1. ID is creationism.
ID and creationism are very distinctly different. If YOU don’t like that fact, well… I’m sure you’ll just continue to lie about it.
2. Some christians DO still believe the earth is flat. Some of them believe that the earth is the center of the universe.
Who? Names? I’m sure there are some Christians who believe a lot of crazy things, but there are atheists who believe crazy things, too. “Some” does not mean “all.”
Others think the earth is only 6,000 years old.
And there are some atheists and evolutionists who think space aliens seeded this planet with life.
I personally wouldn’t take scientific advice from any of them much less allow them to write science standards for a school system.
Oh, really? So you wouldn’t take scientific advice from Sir Francis Bacon, Sir Isaac Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, Michael Faraday, Pasteur, or any number of other historic scientists who were Christians?
3. Fundamentalists teach their kids only one thing, abstinence.
Complete bull that you cannot back with facts. Of course, it is completely true that liberals like yourself don’t want any mention of abstinence in sex ed. You fight it tooth and nail in and out of court, claiming (without merit) that it’s religious indoctrination and that Christians don’t want safe sex taught.
4. I think if you were one of the people tied to a post and set on fire you’d consider it a “major event†too.
Oh, very droll. Yep, take my statement about a historic event that wasn’t major and apply it to a single person. Dishonest much? Hey, any event becomes major when you do that!
Not to mention that the stone age belifs that led to the salem witch trials are still claiming innocent lives today
Such things happen in all cultures and belief systems including atheism. If you don’t think your farts don’t stink, you’re deluded.
5. If fundamentalist christianity still ruled civilization, leeches would be about the ONLY thing that was used in “modern†medicine.
Yeah, you’re right. We would’ve burned scientists like Lister, Pasteur, James Simpson, and Bacon at the stake. [insert eye-rolling smiley here]
6. The cartoon IS funny.
I think it’s hilarious. It shows exactly how anti-Christian bigots [falsely] view Christians and history.
>Falsehood that ID = Creationism: check.
Falsehood that Christians believed in a flat earth = check.
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>Falsehood that leeches are not used in medicine today: check.
The analogy that the comic presents is that the ideas given are – like intelligent design – devoid of scientific intellect or basis in reality. I’ll give you the last panel, though, since leeches are used to treat certain wounds and blood diseases.
Regardless, Chrisitanity is not mentioned nor implied once in the strip, so don’t go getting your reactionary panties in a bind.
Boom. Headshot.
In Salem, nobody was burned. Thus, the cartoon has nothing to do with Salem. It does have to do with the burning of witches throughout Europe, however. Many of them.
Jason is so sadly fooled if he believes ID is not Creationism. Even the Intelligent Design people think so. After all, they were the same Creationists who just needed a new word after they lost Edwards v. Aguillard.
My vote is Jason is just a silly little troll.
Of course ID and creationism aren’t the same. See, creationism says that a big invisible white guy who lives up in the sky created the earth about six thousand years ago. Contrast this with ID that says that at some unspecified time in the past, some supernatural entity (not necessarily Jeebus or Allah) created the earth.
ID is clearly the superior hypothesis; it doesn’t get all bogged down in detail.
ID and creationism are very distinctly different. If YOU don’t like that fact, well… I’m sure you’ll just continue to lie about it.
ID is creationism in a cheap suit. Your inability to admit that shows a deficiency in either your honesty or your intellect. There is no need to lie about it, the data is quite clear. The same groups of people(DI, ICR, etc) who were pushing creationism before the Edwards case are the same ones pushing ID now. The creationist “text book” Of Pandas and People was altered after the Edwards case to replace all instances of the word creation with ID. Or you could always just listen to the creationists themselves. Phillip Johnson, the father of the ID movement, has stated that “the Darwinian theory of evolution contradicts not just the Book of Genesis, but every word in the bible from beginning to end”.
Who? Names? I’m sure there are some Christians who believe a lot of crazy things, but there are atheists who believe crazy things, too. “Some†does not mean “all.â€Â
You must be confused, at first you ask for references to prove that there are still flat earthers and heiliocentrists then you say “well, yeah there probably are some”. The point is that creationism is just as backwards and ignorant as believing that the earth is flat. Calling it ID and claiming it’s scientific(when it clearly isn’t) does not change that fact.
And there are some atheists and evolutionists who think space aliens seeded this planet with life.
Can’t say that I’ve ever seen any of them trying to force that into a science class though. Being as how the creationists are the ones who try to force in their religion every couple of years, I think they are the ones I’ll worry about. 🙂
Oh, really? So you wouldn’t take scientific advice from Sir Francis Bacon, Sir Isaac Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, Michael Faraday, Pasteur, or any number of other historic scientists who were Christians?
Whether they are christians or not is irrelevant. The important thing is whether they can separate their religious beliefs from their objective study of science. The creationists positively can NOT do that.
Complete bull that you cannot back with facts. Of course, it is completely true that liberals like yourself don’t want any mention of abstinence in sex ed. You fight it tooth and nail in and out of court, claiming (without merit) that it’s religious indoctrination and that Christians don’t want safe sex taught.
Actually backing that with facts is pretty trivial. You can simply compare and contrast the two approaches. If you check areas(such as the US) where abstinence only education is favored you see a much higher teen pregnancy rate then you do in areas where balanced sexual education is taught(most of Europe). You don’t have to take my word for it. Here’s a link to a website talking about 6 different studies on the matter:
www.siecus.org/pubs/fact/fact0001.html
Oh, very droll. Yep, take my statement about a historic event that wasn’t major and apply it to a single person. Dishonest much? Hey, any event becomes major when you do that!
What kind of crackpot thinks that religious fanatics burning people alive is no big deal?
Such things happen in all cultures and belief systems including atheism. If you don’t think your farts don’t stink, you’re deluded.
It has nothing to do with “cultures”, it has to do with the aberrant behavior that results when people believe in what amounts to little more then stone age voodoo. You pathetic attempt to excuse such behavior amounts to nothing more then a childish whine of “well THEY did it too!”. You sir are an embarrassment to humanity.
Yeah, you’re right. We would’ve burned scientists like Lister, Pasteur, James Simpson, and Bacon at the stake.
If they had published any work that the church didn’t like they might have. Remember Galileo? You know, that guy that proved heilocentrism was wrong so the church threatened to torture him to death if he didn’t recant. That’s how fundamentalists deal with science they don’t like(which is most of it to be honest). Unlike you I have no desire to return to the “good’ol days” of the Dark Ages.
I think it’s hilarious. It shows exactly how anti-Christian bigots [falsely] view Christians and history.
I can’t tell if you were being intentionally dishonest in all that mess or if you are just that ignorant. You weren’t home schooled by any chance, were you?
Jason was the resident troll over at Pharyngula, he has recently been devoweled.
I thought he looked familar. I think he might have popped up a time or two over at Red State Rabble as well.
Galileo is somewhat unjustly famous, but certainly not the best example that could be used here. He was quite justifiably scared of the church because another notable heliocentrist, Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake for heresy in a market square in Rome on Feb. 17, 1600.
Actually, leeches ARE used (and maggots) in some modern medicines; they debride infected wounds, and clean out dead and scar tissue after surgery.
What a bunch of dorks.
God Bless the Devil!
tell me about it, damn.
Wow, I love how each party thoughtfully consider the others arguments, especially on the internet!! 😀
Galileo was excommunicated from the church, was almost killed, he had to beg for his life, and put under house arrest for years on end.
I Pretty sure Newton was excommunicated too.
Einsten
The Witch hunt was a cross between the red hunt and the holocaust, and the Spanish Inquisition. Ever notice how few Wiccans there are, they were once competing with Christian for the spot as the next big religion, so Christians tried to convert a bunch of them (its where we get halloween (though the date is taken from the dia de metes) the easter bunny and eggs on easter, and a bunch of the of the holiday icons.
Leaches are still used today, but its for different reasons. They used leaches and did blood lettings to get ride of bad blood.
Yes the bible does say that the planet is round, and has a lot of lines in it that say thing that are true that was against current philosophizes
And teaching absinence doesn’t work and they teach it by scare tactics.
I’m an old school republican (Barry Goldwater, Reagan) , and a athiest. I have no problem with anyone anyone with or without a religion as long as they keep an open mind.
“The Witch hunt was a cross between the red hunt and the holocaust, and the Spanish Inquisition. Ever notice how few Wiccans there are, they were once competing with Christian for the spot as the next big religion, so Christians tried to convert a bunch of them (its where we get halloween (though the date is taken from the dia de metes) the easter bunny and eggs on easter, and a bunch of the of the holiday icons. ”
Ummm… I think your thinking of pagans and it was the last big religion and I mean BIG. All of the Holidays came from Pagan holidays. Even Christmas is based around a pagan festival. I think the christians did this to ease the european conversion process and Halloween’s date does not come from the “day of the dead” festival. They are completely different idealologies that are celebrated differently. One is the celebration of the fall harvest while the other is the celebration of your ancestors.
Wiccans ruling the earth… shudder…
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How are the “godless” ones the cowards? We look for logical answers to lifes problems, rather than anytime anything good/bad/unexplainable happens just say “God did it”. We act our lives how we want, not how we think some “higher power” wants us to act. If anything the poeple who beleive in god are the cowards because they act “morale” so that “god” doesn’t punish them by sending them to hell. Yeah we are the cowards
You want some kickass logic ? try this on for size, it can be applied to anything EVER and your arguments against it are flawed because I disagree.
Good = god’s doing
Bad = devil’s doing
I’m a christian 😉 lol
Fundamentalism of any kind is dangerous. Whether they be christians, moslems or scientists, anyone who is convinced they have a handle on absolute truth, and the desire to foist it on others, is just a pain. Science cannot answer how the first living cell managed to hold together in the primordial soup; it is just a pure leap of faith to blindly accept that it did so, even though all experiments suggest such a complex construction would degrade long before it assembled itself. Religionists and scientists alike base many beliefs on faith. Time alone proves who is closer to the truth.
“Science cannot answer how the first living cell managed to hold together in the primordial soup; it is just a pure leap of faith to blindly accept that it did so…”
Look at how stupid you are.
You want some kickass logic ? try this on for size, it can be applied to anything EVER and your arguments against it are flawed because I disagree.
Good = god’s doing
Bad = devil’s doing
I’m a christian lol
OK, i love throwing this one out. SO God created Lucifer, and as an angel he was created to carry out God’s will. Now, sense Lucifer defied god’s will that would mean that either God did not create Lucifer perfectly (sense he was created only to serve God and he did not) or that God allowed/intended for Lucifer to defy him and made him accordingly. Sense God is supposedly infallible that means the later must be true, and so evil is God’s creation.
And as For “Time alone proves who is closer to the truth.” Take a good look at the track record so far, science holds one hell of a lead.
“And as For “Time alone proves who is closer to the truth.†Take a good look at the track record so far, science holds one hell of a lead.”
Science has made some excellent strides, but don’t forget it also gave us Thalidomide, CFCs, Three Mile Island etc, and who knows where genetic engineering might take us. I wasn’t defending ID or Creationism, simply pointing out that scientists, despite their self-belief, often make mistakes. (In fact that is part of the process of proving what is right and what is wrong). Throughout the millenia our Earth and Universe have conducted their own “science experiment” that has resulted in the environment we live in today.
Evolution (if you accept it as a scientific fact) has resulted in humans as we are today, via a process of natural selection over a very long period of time. Scientists come up with theories about our history (and about evolutions part in it) but have often had to eat their words and change their theories as more has become known about our prehistory. The jury is definitely still out.
Scientists have many many times got things completely wrong (as have religions of all types) and been proven to be wrong in the long run. There is nothing magic about science. It is often a flawed method of wieghing up the facts, because it necessarily weighs up data over only a short time frame (relative to the geological timeframes that have contributed to shaping humans and our planet)
If genetic engineering accidentally results in a new virus or organism that culls the human race (or for that matter cows or sheep) will you still be so supportive of scientific arrogance? Time alone will reveal whether science and it’s theories and developments are true and good, or not. Often what seems true in the short term, proves to have been misunderstood when the bigger picture is known.
Nature has developed over a different time scale to human scientific endeavour. We cannot always measure the past adequately. Science has to make many assumptions and leaps of faith in evaluating our history and we cannot have absolute confidence in it. Science has much to offer, but we must always remember how immeasurably tiny human history and activity are, when compared to the vastness of space and history. One thing we can guarantee is that science will have many huge failures and lessons in the future.
Maybe one day they will come up with a logical explanation for how the first unicellular organism assembled itself, but I have yet to see a plausible answer.
Scientists looking at a primitive single-celled organism today, still state that such a cell could not assemble itself via the processes of evolution. Regardless of how much time you give it. Simple scientific tests prove that the components of such a cell decay long before they assemble and function in the way that must surely do if they are to reproduce, as they surely must.
And as for the “scientific “big bang” theory…what a joke. In a split second “everything was made out of nothing”. Matter didn’t exist, then suddenly it did. Oh yeah that is scientific. Doesn’t sound much different to a creation theory to me.
As I said, time alone reveals truth. I’m still waiting.
Wow… all trees, no forest.
Look at how stupid you are.
I am an “Intelligent Design” scientist. I have never belonged to a religion — let alone a fundamentalist one — in my entire life. I have always been against fundamentalism of any kind. I am subsequently against both religious fundamentalism and Darwinian fundamentalism. Anyone who questions Darwin-ism at this time is immediately labeled a “flat earther” etc. This is fundamentalist intolerance in action.
I am an “Intelligent Design”
scientistfundamentalist…You sir are just probably another Jebus lover in disguise. How dare you call yourself a scientist. (yes its a religion bashing weekend for me)
Uhm… Christians don’t teach complete abstinance… they teach you to wait until you’re married, and that sex is a beautiful thing (between married people). Which seems pretty smart to me, what with all the knocked up slores I know. Bless their hearts.
And also: Whether they are christians or not is irrelevant. The important thing is whether they can separate their religious beliefs from their objective study of science. The creationists positively can NOT do that.
A bit of a deedeedee are we? The fact that they WERE Christians pretty much implies that they were in fact Creationists. Remember that whole “Genesis” thing? Yeah, they believed that. So, good jarb.
There is a general definition of good & evil.
Good is something that benefits group and the Evil is somthing that threatens the group.
I think the spirit of the cartoon is that intelligent design and creationism are on par with one another, whether or not they are the same thing – that’s not important. The point is, either one of them are about as sound scietnifically as a flat earth or stalks bringing babies.
Teach intelligent design in RE, not science. As Richard Dawkins would remind us, incredulity (at the unintentional nature of the complexity) is not evidence.
i think the earth was created when god sprinkled sunshine dust on the moon to make it warmer there and the sunshine dust reacted with the cheese on the moone and baked most of it and made it break off and thus the earth was created, the earth turned circular because it lost so much weight using the garvatkins diet and the moon thought the earth was sexy so the moon always hangs around the earth, that is how i think the earth was created
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Holy shit, Colin’s in the 7th grade? I’d never have guessed!
it true, its true i confess, im only 13 years of ages n stuffs
actually they never really burned the witches.
@Jason
I wonder, how stupid a conservative can be? You just set a new record in stupidity. Please name at least ten differences between ID and creationism (aka cretinotianism)?
Oh, sweetie-pie, concerning abstinence, THERE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, LIBERALS ARE RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE IT DOESN’T HELP AND ONLY WASTES MONEY AND EFFORT. THIS IS A FACT: www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=2&DR_ID=44263
(Pardon for writing in caps, but i did it in order to help our alternatively gifted Jason process all the data)
@IsoHrs
In fact, they did. Go read a book. Or listen to an audiobook if your reading skills are poor.
Religions don’t kill people.
People kill people.
oh, and tsunamis. they kill people too.
Damn tsunamis!
Science brought us the brontosaurus. That’s all,
I look at it this way.
It takes just as much faith to believe in the statistical chance that the human brain could have evolved from a single celled organism. To say that Creationism is stupid because of the belief system is hypocritical in my opinion.
Believe what you want but don’t tell other people they’re foolish for their beliefs.
“It takes just as much faith to believe in the statistical chance that the human brain could have evolved from a single celled organism.”
If you actually beleve this then “foolish” is the least offensive name for what you are.
@IronGaijin.
The faith you refer to in statistical chance doesn’t really exist. What most scientists who hold to the darwinian view of evolution believe is that darwin’s theory of evolution is the current best method of describing the events of the past with the current available data. Hence the word theory. If new data show’s darwin’s theory to be wrong, then it will be investigated and a new theory formed.
Pretty much all of science is saying, here’s what we know and here is a theory that best explains what we know and can observe. This also applies to most scientists views of Intelligent Design. Evolution and Intelligent design aren’t completely incompatible either, both could be present, who knows? (Intelligent design may imply a god or creator, but doesn’t imply an omnipotent creator).
Think of it this way. Imagine our world was a computer program, and the programmer was god. the programmer could create the program and run it, but that doesn’t mean that unexpected things wont happen. It may be designed to be self sufficient. (The creator could have made our world and built in evolution to make it self sufficient).
I personally dont think this theory is the case, but its still a valid theory at the moment.
where are the boobs?
@... James: Ever notice how few Wiccans there are, they were once competing with Christian for the spot as the next big religion, so Christians tried to convert a bunch of them (its where we get halloween (though the date is taken from the dia de metes) the easter bunny and eggs on easter, and a bunch of the of the holiday icons.
I hate to burst any bubbles (no I’m not creationist NOR am I Christian), but Wicca is less than 100 years old. It was invented by Gerald Gardner. He was taking advantage of a popular social trend. With respect to Halloween, Easter, etc, yes they are from non-Christian religions mostly in Europe, but there is not, nor has there been, any kind of historical evidence to indicate that there was a religion called Wicca. You MAY claim (as many Wiccans do) that the Christians tried to wipe it out, but that doesn’t account for the historical records of the Celtic Druids, the Nordic beliefs, the Roman and Greek pagan beliefs, etc. I’m not hating on Wicca. I just want Wiccans to get the history of their religion right.
I find wiccan beliefs compelling because they remove literally everything that could be considered non-white from religion and mythology.
It’s a bunch of descendants of transplanted Scots and Irish who want to revel in their long lost heritage, really. But you know, before the Catholic part.
Which I’m actually more in favor of.
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